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  • impulse at the svc....




    luks cool

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    • happy to see spoke wheels back again .

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      • @all
        was just going through the do it yourself thread and found really good guides there for caring the motorcycle. Just came up with an idea why not we make a particular karizma-r space where we can share all simple caring and lubricating stuff to help each other and even new users learn quick.
        even any change any mods uploaded with pics will be great idea as I found that some users over here aka @psr ,aneesh,pinaki,acs,sriram have really helped all in need and suggestion.Sorry if i left out any1 but truely all have contributed a lot to this thread and keep karizma glory alive.
        Hope we join hands and make it happen anything video,picture slides,pdf .
        Last edited by shhbz; 11-07-2011, 03:29 AM.

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        • Originally posted by sunny_ View Post
          Did you notice sluggish pick-up after this "boring" experiment?
          To be frank, I dont have any particular reason for doing this. I was religiously following psr sir's run-in schedule and since have completed 500Kms now taking the bike upto 5k. But the thing is I dont upshift anywhere below the 5k mark, lets say I had to slow down due to traffic at 4k mark on 2nd/3rd gear, I wont upshift thinking the bikes already buzzing, I'd take it to 5k anyhow and only then upshift. And I've been doing the above for a while, and the changes I've noticed was that the bike's more rev friendly, not sure whether its the new bore and piston or the 10w30, but anyways the bike's overall performance has increased, and the engine's gliding now.

          So to test my point I've once again started driving my moms car(moms a lame driver.) and I'd always take it to higher rev's before upshifting and after a few days even my technically handicapped mom said that the car's performance has improved.

          I dont have any technical explanation on the above cause am still a noob when it comes to how the engine works, so its better if our more experienced members(aneesh bro,psr sir,sriram sir,acs sir,pinaki sir) explain the above.
          Motorcycling Experience:
          2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
          2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
          2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
          2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
          2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
          2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

          The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
          Adios Comrades!
          A.P. 2018

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          • Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
            happy to see spoke wheels back again .
            Spoke beats alloys anyday. Only drawback of spoke's that its heavier than the stock alloys. Else would've gone for it.
            Motorcycling Experience:
            2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
            2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
            2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
            2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
            2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
            2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

            The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
            Adios Comrades!
            A.P. 2018

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            • Originally posted by siddhesh View Post
              impulse at the svc....luks cool
              Yeah.I am sure that the front fender will attract many RX owners here. No offence to RX owners and seems like it has a half chain guard.

              Originally posted by shhbz View Post
              @all
              was just going through the do it yourself thread and found really good guides there for caring the motorcycle. Just came up with an idea why not we make a particular karizma-r space where we can share all simple caring and lubricating stuff to help each other and even new users learn quick.
              Bro you mean DIY for simple works like lubing,oil change etc?

              Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
              I dont have any technical explanation on the above cause am still a noob when it comes to how the engine works, so its better if our more experienced members(aneesh bro,psr sir,sriram sir,acs sir,pinaki sir) explain the above.
              Exclude me from the list!

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              • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                To be frank, I dont have any particular reason for doing this. I was religiously following psr sir's run-in schedule and since have completed 500Kms now taking the bike upto 5k. But the thing is I dont upshift anywhere below the 5k mark, lets say I had to slow down due to traffic at 4k mark on 2nd/3rd gear, I wont upshift thinking the bikes already buzzing, I'd take it to 5k anyhow and only then upshift. And I've been doing the above for a while, and the changes I've noticed was that the bike's more rev friendly, not sure whether its the new bore and piston or the 10w30, but anyways the bike's overall performance has increased, and the engine's gliding now.

                So to test my point I've once again started driving my moms car(moms a lame driver.) and I'd always take it to higher rev's before upshifting and after a few days even my technically handicapped mom said that the car's performance has improved.

                I dont have any technical explanation on the above cause am still a noob when it comes to how the engine works, so its better if our more experienced members(aneesh bro,psr sir,sriram sir,acs sir,pinaki sir) explain the above.
                Same thing here bro . Can't tell how or why but every single word you said is true in my case too. I have always wondered why.

                One theory I have : Usually a smooth rider's engine slowly smooth ens up that means it take's some time to open up to rev in higher rpm. So there will be sluggishness feeling till the process of opening up is completed.

                Our case: We kind of rip it so machining happens and thus engine opens up faster, rpm shoots up faster and the engine won't be sluggish. For a non ripper it will take at least 25 k kms to get the same condition. This is what i think may not be correct .
                Cheetahs are faster but the lion is still the KING

                Being In Love with a Girl is like being a superbike fitted with SPEED LIMITER

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                • Originally posted by Vishakh View Post
                  Same thing here bro . Can't tell how or why but every single word you said is true in my case too. I have always wondered why.

                  One theory I have : Usually a smooth rider's engine slowly smooth ens up that means it take's some time to open up to rev in higher rpm. So there will be sluggishness feeling till the process of opening up is completed.

                  Our case: We kind of rip it so machining happens and thus engine opens up faster, rpm shoots up faster and the engine won't be sluggish. For a non ripper it will take at least 25 k kms to get the same condition. This is what i think may not be correct .
                  Not really. It may not be recommended to put undue stress on the engine during run-in, but post that, it is advisable to subject the bike to all types of riding, so that the internals do not get used to same style of movement. After a while they get set in the same position&will not respond if ridden otherwise.
                  This can lead to sluggishness when ridden in a more spirited manner.
                  Also, it is advisable to open up the engine (I mean full throttle riding) once in a while as this helps in driving out carbon deposits also!
                  Understand your bike&the way it delivers power. Lugging in gears (i.e., low speeds in higher gears) is the worst thing you can do-it really kills performance of the engine.
                  For bikes like ZMA which have a lot of torque, keeping it in the powerband i.e., 3.5-5.5K RPM will ensure good performance&you will be surprised that it returns good mileage too!
                  Once in a while (on open highways etc.), upshift at around 6.5-7K RPM so that the engine 'opens up', you know what I mean!
                  I made the mistake of lugging&over smooth riding with my Fiero F2&it does not respond very well to high throttle inputs.
                  I have corrected that with my R15 though I gave it a very soft run-in compared to others.
                  Now please don't ask me how I ride it!
                  Last edited by Sarvajit; 11-07-2011, 12:16 PM.
                  Quench my thirst with gasoline!

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                  • Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post
                    Not really. It may not be recommended to put undue stress on the engine during run-in, but post that, it is advisable to subject the bike to all types of riding, so that the internals do not get used to same style of movement. After a while they get set in the same position&will not respond if ridden otherwise.
                    Exactly right. I never maintain a constant RPM for more than a minute, no matter what. I keep varying RPM's like psr sir said, but within the limits(5k for now) and only upshift at 5k and downshift at 3.5k.


                    ADDITIONAL.

                    Went and ordered Enticer chain guards. They cost about Rs150/-. Will most probably get hold of it by next week.
                    Last edited by ashwinprakas; 11-07-2011, 01:16 PM.
                    Motorcycling Experience:
                    2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                    2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                    2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                    2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                    2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                    2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                    The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                    Adios Comrades!
                    A.P. 2018

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                    • Bought Dazzler's RVM for my bike.

                      275RS for L & R .



                      Found this too.
                      Last edited by Aneesh@4GHz; 11-07-2011, 03:19 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                        To be frank, I dont have any particular reason for doing this. I was religiously following psr sir's run-in schedule and since have completed 500Kms now taking the bike upto 5k. But the thing is I dont upshift anywhere below the 5k mark, lets say I had to slow down due to traffic at 4k mark on 2nd/3rd gear, I wont upshift thinking the bikes already buzzing, I'd take it to 5k anyhow and only then upshift. And I've been doing the above for a while, and the changes I've noticed was that the bike's more rev friendly, not sure whether its the new bore and piston or the 10w30, but anyways the bike's overall performance has increased, and the engine's gliding now.

                        So to test my point I've once again started driving my moms car(moms a lame driver.) and I'd always take it to higher rev's before upshifting and after a few days even my technically handicapped mom said that the car's performance has improved.

                        I dont have any technical explanation on the above cause am still a noob when it comes to how the engine works, so its better if our more experienced members(aneesh bro,psr sir,sriram sir,acs sir,pinaki sir) explain the above.
                        Your observation is correct AFAIK . Umpteen years ago 4 of us biked from Kannur to Kodai (some 400 odd km - one way ) on an RX-mine- and a borrowed Samurai which was sedately ridden . At Kozhikode (90 km from Kannur) my friend (who normally rides RX100) told me that the Samurai is not pulling - slow acceleration and max speed of @ 80 kmph. So after breakfast , I opened the carb and put the needle 1 slot higher and made the afr richer by 3/4 turn . He was happy after that except for the top speed of <95kmph .( The mileage dropped from 45-50 kmpl to @36kmpl - you can guess how he rode the bike !) . After returning the bike to the owner , he remarked that the bike seemed much relaxed and it does not seem as if the engine is straining . I told him that it's due to the non stop long trip we had - Wouldn't have been healthy - for me - to tell him that we had ripped his bike !!
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                        • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                          To be frank, I dont have any particular reason for doing this. I was religiously following psr sir's run-in schedule and since have completed 500Kms now taking the bike upto 5k. But the thing is I dont upshift anywhere below the 5k mark, lets say I had to slow down due to traffic at 4k mark on 2nd/3rd gear, I wont upshift thinking the bikes already buzzing, I'd take it to 5k anyhow and only then upshift. And I've been doing the above for a while, and the changes I've noticed was that the bike's more rev friendly, not sure whether its the new bore and piston or the 10w30, but anyways the bike's overall performance has increased, and the engine's gliding now.
                          So to test my point I've once again started driving my moms car(moms a lame driver.) and I'd always take it to higher rev's before upshifting and after a few days even my technically handicapped mom said that the car's performance has improved.
                          I dont have any technical explanation on the above cause am still a noob when it comes to how the engine works, so its better if our more experienced members(aneesh bro,psr sir,sriram sir,acs sir,pinaki sir) explain the above.
                          Ashwin'Jee ... This is exactly how the Rajdoot-Yamaha engineer taught me to ride my new RX-100 then . He didn't hand me over the bike at the showroom after paperworks were complete . He actually rode out of the showroom with the bike with me in pillion and and taught me all the important operations of the bike , and I particularly remember him stressing how to shift at high rpms . I was naturally getting impatient and silently uttering all the choicest galis I knew all this while . Then he rode me into the petrol pump , filled a liter of petrol in the bike and handed me the keys .. and requested me to drop him off at the showroom . What a relief ! I never forgot any of his words ever , particularly because the delay was hurting me every min at that time . However nowadays I am not always careful to ride like that .. but since you reminded me .. I will have to pay attention and try again .
                          Last edited by Pinaki; 11-07-2011, 08:27 PM.

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                          • Originally posted by Sarvajit View Post
                            Not really. It may not be recommended to put undue stress on the engine during run-in, but post that, it is advisable to subject the bike to all types of riding, so that the internals do not get used to same style of movement. After a while they get set in the same position&will not respond if ridden otherwise.
                            This can lead to sluggishness when ridden in a more spirited manner.
                            Also, it is advisable to open up the engine (I mean full throttle riding) once in a while as this helps in driving out carbon deposits also!
                            Understand your bike&the way it delivers power. Lugging in gears (i.e., low speeds in higher gears) is the worst thing you can do-it really kills performance of the engine.
                            For bikes like ZMA which have a lot of torque, keeping it in the powerband i.e., 3.5-5.5K RPM will ensure good performance&you will be surprised that it returns good mileage too!
                            Once in a while (on open highways etc.), upshift at around 6.5-7K RPM so that the engine 'opens up', you know what I mean!
                            I made the mistake of lugging&over smooth riding with my Fiero F2&it does not respond very well to high throttle inputs.
                            I have corrected that with my R15 though I gave it a very soft run-in compared to others.
                            Now please don't ask me how I ride it!
                            I didn't mean that people should try it in the run-in period . I strongly recommend not to rip the bike during run in. After run in ie, after some 1.5k kms( in my case) i started to rip. At first it was indeed hard to rev up ,the bike dint respond well then. After sometime like some 300 kms the bike started to get the touch . But for a smoothly ridden bike if we rev up we will find its hard to do so. But if we put the bike to such conditions for sometime then it will become easy for the ride .

                            Another case my alto: The car is driven very smoothly from the date of purchase( thanks to dad ). Till it clocked some 6k kms. Whenever i drive it when i rev beyond 10 kmph in 1st gear the car vibes a lot as well as it is hard to take it up more than 15 kmph. But we had to do a long trip of some 400 kms( cars first ever long trip ). On that trip the car in front of us leading was an insane reckless driver. I had to slam the accelerator to the floor to keep up with him . I felt sad about it as i feared for the life of the engine. But after i reached home some days later i had to take the car to the city. And i was astonished 1st gear it could hit some 35 kmph no vibes or sound. Did 60 in 3rd gear and never even felt anything until i looked at the speedo. Its my case and may vary for others its strongly based on experience and not based on theories .
                            Cheetahs are faster but the lion is still the KING

                            Being In Love with a Girl is like being a superbike fitted with SPEED LIMITER

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                            • Originally posted by Vishakh View Post
                              And i was astonished 1st gear it could hit some 35 kmph no vibes or sound. Did 60 in 3rd gear and never even felt anything until i looked at the speedo. Its my case and may vary for others its strongly based on experience and not based on theories .
                              This one remembered me Ashwin's riding style,Nearly 100km/h in 3rd gear.

                              So from these all,I think mixed riding style is the best driving method.
                              Last edited by Aneesh@4GHz; 11-07-2011, 07:22 PM.

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                              • Originally posted by acs1207 View Post
                                Your observation is correct AFAIK . Umpteen years ago 4 of us biked from Kannur to Kodai (some 400 odd km - one way ) on an RX-mine- and a borrowed Samurai which was sedately ridden . At Kozhikode (90 km from Kannur) my friend (who normally rides RX100) told me that the Samurai is not pulling - slow acceleration and max speed of @ 80 kmph. So after breakfast , I opened the carb and put the needle 1 slot higher and made the afr richer by 3/4 turn . He was happy after that except for the top speed of <95kmph .( The mileage dropped from 45-50 kmpl to @36kmpl - you can guess how he rode the bike !) . After returning the bike to the owner , he remarked that the bike seemed much relaxed and it does not seem as if the engine is straining . I told him that it's due to the non stop long trip we had - Wouldn't have been healthy - for me - to tell him that we had ripped his bike !!
                                Originally posted by Pinaki View Post
                                Ashwin'Jee ... This exactly how the Rajdoot-Yamaha engineer taught me to ride my new RX-100 then . He didn't hand me over the bike at the showroom after paperworks were complete . He actually rode out of the showroom with the bike with me in pillion and and taught me all the important operations of the bike , and I particularly remember him stressing how to shift at high rpms . I was naturally getting impatient and silently uttering all the choicest galis I knew all this while . Then he rode me into the petrol pump , filled a liter of petrol in the bike and handed me the keys .. and requested me to drop him off at the showroom . What a relief ! I never forgot any of his words ever , particularly because the delay was hurting me every min at that time . However nowadays I am not always careful to ride like that .. but since you reminded me .. I will have to pay attention and try again .
                                Thanks alot acs sir and pinaki sir, cause for a moment there I started to think that I might've been mistaken and the improvement just being my mind playing tricks on me. Now the only thing left to fill the puzzle is a technical explanation of why the above happen's, speaking in short,
                                psr sir, where are you???

                                Originally posted by Vishakh View Post
                                I didn't mean that people should try it in the run-in period . I strongly recommend not to rip the bike during run in. After run in ie, after some 1.5k kms( in my case) i started to rip. At first it was indeed hard to rev up ,the bike dint respond well then. After sometime like some 300 kms the bike started to get the touch . But for a smoothly ridden bike if we rev up we will find its hard to do so. But if we put the bike to such conditions for sometime then it will become easy for the ride .

                                Another case my alto: The car is driven very smoothly from the date of purchase( thanks to dad ). Till it clocked some 6k kms. Whenever i drive it when i rev beyond 10 kmph in 1st gear the car vibes a lot as well as it is hard to take it up more than 15 kmph. But we had to do a long trip of some 400 kms( cars first ever long trip ). On that trip the car in front of us leading was an insane reckless driver. I had to slam the accelerator to the floor to keep up with him . I felt sad about it as i feared for the life of the engine. But after i reached home some days later i had to take the car to the city. And i was astonished 1st gear it could hit some 35 kmph no vibes or sound. Did 60 in 3rd gear and never even felt anything until i looked at the speedo. Its my case and may vary for others its strongly based on experience and not based on theories .
                                This is kinda OT but am posting it since it support's the original theory.
                                You'd be shocked cause my ZEN(After being ridden by me for a while.) can do,
                                1st Gear - 40Kmph.
                                2nd Gear - 100Kmph.
                                3rd Gear - 140Kmph, can surely go way above, but unfortunately the road's end, and keep in mind guys, have got 2 more gears left.
                                Motorcycling Experience:
                                2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                                2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                                2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                                2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                                2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                                2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                                The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                                Adios Comrades!
                                A.P. 2018

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