+100 to that

How good or bad it is for the transmission is a matter of debate, however Clutchless gear shifts is beneficial in racing, and gives a feeling of electronic shift. But its better to stick to depressing the clutch rather than taking a chance, if you are not comfortable with it. But, 200NS shifts smoothly without the clutch. (upshift only)

Yes, there are programmable ECU, but what are the tangible benefits after all on a 200CC engine? Apart from removing the rev limiter and may be remapping the ignition timing. And an aftermarket ECU, if at all fits our stock bikes is sure create trouble!

BTW just a info: In 200NS if you fill the petrol to brim, it doesn't over flow and wasted, but routed back to carburetor back!

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Woot!? Are you sure, cuz I ve been keeping my rpm below 4.5k for the 70kms I ve rode so far. Is it safe to take it upto 7k rpm on every gear before I hit 1000kms??

No person other than the designer knows of the design parameters and constraints of the engine, so altering the ignition timing is a no , no , unless you are prepared to have detonation and burn outs.Removal of Rev Limit is possible, but it is there for a purpose....the only lee way here is about 5 to 6 % alteration which is unlikely to produce any great improvement.....If you want more reliable power than your present bike...sell it and buy a more powerful Bike..it is more cost effective.

Anther Long ride report

Good Morning every one....
Yesterday there were too many incidents to soak into.
Had a Long ride on my DESTINY. Saw our new car, and drove it. was super fun.
Then went to a Harley showroom, where the Regional service manager was a friend of my friend. Sat on few bikes, and fired it up. Just that It was already evening so he said Test ride not possible. Offered me to come and day in the morning to ride one.
Went to the service bay, and looked into various Hi-funda instruments.I was in absolute Nirvana.

About Destiny's ride, Well It wasn't to my satisfaction..
BAD THINGS -
1)I seriously believe there is something Wrong in the fuel line. I was running low on Fuel, but it was in the Mains. Went 60+Kms, before It completely came to reserve. But In those 50+ kms there was always a Feeling that there is no petrol if the RPM is kept constant (not fixed to any particular range of RPM), but when I twisted the throttle, the Bike picks up speed with ease. Strange thing is when she went to reserve, there that snatchy feeling was absolutely not there.
2)Also had lot of vibrations after 3.5k RPM(not on handle, but at Tank, Front and Pillion seat). In fact The famously discussed visor vibration was there in my bike earlier, But it was audible only if some one is close to the Cluster. But after the ride, the noise has increased and is audible from the front seat.

GOOD THINGS -
1)The false neutral problem did occur, but the frequency of such occurrence have gone down to a huge extent.
2)The engine heat was NOT abnormal, and I never felt it on my legs yday, although after long and Continuous ride.

Yes Quite sure..
But Do not take the Bike Above 4 - 4.5k in the Low gears (1st, 2nd and 3rd)

Try doing the 7k in 5th or 6th gear. (Provided you are in an adequate open stretch of road), and that too just touch that 7 k mark(say for a sec or two), and then get down. Also keep varying the RPM in the High gears (from 3k to 7k) for a Better Run in.
Also make sure that if you are feeling excessive engine Heat (which is natural if the engine is new), then stop, and give the engine some rest for about 5-10min, and then again start. Just keep doing these for the first 700 to 800 kms, and your engine will be good enough.


NOTE - Dont do those High RPMs when the engine is Absolute new (Say less than 100 kms)

Actually, that's not an issue, but the very working of Carb. UCD 33, has an option of "coasting for richer mixture", which though, the fuel is less, it try compensating for it, so actually the fuel supply gets lesser and lesser, but the moment you whack open your throttle, it instantly give the power. Depending on tuning of the carb, while low on fuel it also tries to keep the Idle RPM high. In either case, even my bike has this, and even my previous 220 had it, which had the UCAL UCD 32 carb.

Correct run in method...you have to keep varying the RPM and gears, and touch higher RPMs briefly ,ONLY WHEN ENGINE IS WARMED UP...If the engine becomes too hot, Do not stop, but drive in top gear at lesser RPMs since you need the air to cool the Radiator and engine...It is only when the engine oil goes low ,and engine becomes hot,that you need to stop the engine.

Me too having this. Believing as Rahuldevnath said. Even today I've experienced it.

Guys, NS gone 80.1 kms in 1.44 liters of petrol... so what is the mileage for 1.00 liter? Can Anyone calculate? Weak in MatHs

U being South Indian, weak In MAths????!!!!!!!
your Milage -80.1/1.44 = 55.625 kmpl Your's is the best in the forumn.. Guess you have still not tried tuning the bike.

BTW, are you having those vibration problems???
and did you find out How my DESTINY was standing straight without any support???
Hint- Save the Pic in your comp, and zoom into the Rear break lever..

buddy, i am not saying programmable ECU, i said programmable CDI.

removal of rev limit is one additional benefit provided ... your bike is actually able to rev upto rev limiter. why do tuners remove stock ECU and put Custom programmable ECU. because it is possible to get some improvement in performance. and lot of tuners around the world are doing it. it depends on you, how much reliability you wanna compromise and/or how much performance you wanna increase.

although i agree that buying a more powerful bike that fulfills your requirements in stock form is better.

i just replied to a query, to tell that programmable CDI's are available and if some rider wanna reprogram ignition timings, he can do so, otherwise he may loose heart that his bike does not have an ECU, so he cant get the benefits of a ECU swap.

regarding reliability, i also think that by modifying your bike, some reliability is always lost.

but i also think that there are certain safety factors built-in in your bike, and you should be able to safely exploit that, provided you know what you are doing.

Same here,I think every bike has some issues.Hope nothing major with NS.Wish some senior post something like an FAQ,which is there for CB250R,addressing the problems and remedies.

Engines of the '90s had lots of potential in that the engine's capability was not fully exploited...so there was room for mods...take Suzuki Fiero for instance or the RX Some members have overbored Fiero to 195 and 200 cc engine in the old Fieros,and RXs had been modified to do 145 kmph...and these don't have Fi.Most modern engines are close to their max limit in performance since manufacturers have started squeezing the max juice out of them...so when mods are done to modern engines the room for error is minimal and error results in disaster...further most "Race Tuners" are doing mods for races where engine need to last for a few race only, while a street bike owner expects the engine to last for at least 50,000 kms without problems...
So the mods scene then in 90s and now are totally different, and modern engines do not tolerate error in mods like the old ones.

^^ i agree to most part, but their are tuners or modifiers who also modify for street use. i was not talking from the point of view of race.

manufacturer may have optimized something else, you may optimize it for something else. manufacturer may have opted to give a balance between power and mileage.