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  • Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

    Originally posted by madhav766 View Post
    Price of the tire quoted is fine. You could bargain but I doubt they will reduce it at all. The tubeless converter(fancy term) is required as you aptly put, as an air inlet nozzle to fill air into your tires. As for the cost I have no idea. I've never actually gone form TT to TL tires. Done the vice versa. And it didn't cost me anything as the nozzle comes fitted to the tube. BUT let me tell you - I very recently got my own RTR's rear tire changed to a stock tire( I live by keeping things stock on my bike - even the tires which many people detest but I've found to be fine ) and they put on the nozzle for free. I can't be sure of this, but shouldn't each tubeless tire come with one of the "converters" out of the box?

    I also have another piece of advice - keep both the front and back tires from the same manufacturer and of the same make. In fact there is a reason I am apprehensive of changing the tires to any other but stock. A bike is a marvelous engineering feat. They take and account for measurements down to millimeters. And believe it or not, the difference in height between the front and back tires is also a thing and effects the speed, ride quality and FE of your vehicle. Changing tire has an effect similar to 'sprocket'ing on your bike. Try to stick at least to the stock tire specs - 90/90 17 inch in the front and 110/80 17 inch in the back.
    Thanks for the pointers yaar. Tires are the only part which is not stock in my bike . The front tires were stock ones and I have been using them for 41k. Mine is RTR-hyperedge with rear stock spec as 100/80-18" and front 90/90-17". Strange that you went from TL to TT.

    Thanks [MENTION=13887]prateek2210[/MENTION] for the info. I think those guys were trying to take me for a ride. One of my friend who bought it some 1 year back said he got it for 100rs. But you are damn lucky that you get them free of cost there.
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    • Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

      Originally posted by susheelkumar View Post
      Thanks for the pointers yaar. Tires are the only part which is not stock in my bike . The front tires were stock ones and I have been using them for 41k. Mine is RTR-hyperedge with rear stock spec as 100/80-18" and front 90/90-17". Strange that you went from TL to TT.

      Thanks @prateek2210 for the info. I think those guys were trying to take me for a ride. One of my friend who bought it some 1 year back said he got it for 100rs. But you are damn lucky that you get them free of cost there.
      The TL to TT was not for my RTR. It was for my twister. You see my father uses that bike now. And he was adamant on not changing the tire as advised by me(which I did because they had gone through a lot of punctures and were losing their air retaining capacity), as he had heard from the local mechanic that he can prolong the use of the tire by fitting a tube. He had me change the TL to TT about a month ago. The whole thing cost me 350 bucks I think and I have to admit I am impressed by how the tire is holding on.

      And just to be clear, I gave you the current stock tire size for the RTR hyperedge which is the same as the RTR180 stock size.
      Don't matter what it is: Touring; Racing; Commuting. All I know is, I belong on the saddle.

      Rides : Honda CB Twister(Feb 2011 - Present) | TVS Apache RTR 180 ABS(Sept 2012 - May 2016) | Honda CBR250R C-ABS Repsol(March 2017 - Present)

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      • Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

        Originally posted by madhav766 View Post
        And just to be clear, I gave you the current stock tire size for the RTR hyperedge which is the same as the RTR180 stock size.
        Oh! I didnt know the hyperedge version is still on sale and it shared the stock tire spec of RTR-180.
        Yesterday i saw an advertisement of Yamaha fascino. It seems the Jap's have come up with more models than TVS. While TVS is still loitering around RTR-160 & 180 other manufactures have moved on. There is no more local ground advantage for TVS. I dont know what the hell those guys will be doing at office for the past 4-5 years. The board members sucks big time, just trying to squeeze the money rather than investing in anything new. Maybe they are waiting for someone to sell of their shares and maybe it will be merged to another stable automobile company.
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        • Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

          Originally posted by susheelkumar View Post
          Oh! I didnt know the hyperedge version is still on sale and it shared the stock tire spec of RTR-180.
          Yesterday i saw an advertisement of Yamaha fascino. It seems the Jap's have come up with more models than TVS. While TVS is still loitering around RTR-160 & 180 other manufactures have moved on. There is no more local ground advantage for TVS. I dont know what the hell those guys will be doing at office for the past 4-5 years. The board members sucks big time, just trying to squeeze the money rather than investing in anything new. Maybe they are waiting for someone to sell of their shares and maybe it will be merged to another stable automobile company.
          That doesn't seem too far off. I was really surprised to see BMW team up with TVS. And the terms of their deal - tech based partnership and all, seems a little flimsy to me. I mean it's not your conventional team up like Hero-Honda or Kawasaki-Bajaj. These guys are still independent. Won't be surprised if BMW goes ahead and out-percentages TVS in their own company like Bajaj did to KTM. Only I think BMW will use their brand name to the advantage and kick TVS out of the picture.

          Personally I want TVS to make a proper comeback and deliver a gut wrenching blow to all other manufacturers here on our home turf. They are after all India's very own and first two wheeler giant to make it so far. I really like the TVS engineering that goes into our RTRs. They are not a lot of things, but they are a good engineering team.

          That being said, I still am looking at an upgrade to a Ninja. Need more power, what you gonna do?
          Don't matter what it is: Touring; Racing; Commuting. All I know is, I belong on the saddle.

          Rides : Honda CB Twister(Feb 2011 - Present) | TVS Apache RTR 180 ABS(Sept 2012 - May 2016) | Honda CBR250R C-ABS Repsol(March 2017 - Present)

          Break-in tension? Read this.

          Love camping and riding? Google - On Rustic Routes.

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          • Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

            Originally posted by susheelkumar View Post
            Oh! I didnt know the hyperedge version is still on sale and it shared the stock tire spec of RTR-180.
            Yesterday i saw an advertisement of Yamaha fascino. It seems the Jap's have come up with more models than TVS. While TVS is still loitering around RTR-160 & 180 other manufactures have moved on. There is no more local ground advantage for TVS. I dont know what the hell those guys will be doing at office for the past 4-5 years. The board members sucks big time, just trying to squeeze the money rather than investing in anything new. Maybe they are waiting for someone to sell of their shares and maybe it will be merged to another stable automobile company.
            Why will TVS complain when only 2 variants of their flagship offering are still ruling the sales charts?

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            • Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

              Originally posted by susheelkumar View Post
              Hi everyone. I went to MRF showroom to change my front tires (TT) of my RTR-160 to Zapper FY1(TL-90/80-17"). They quoted 2k for the same. When I said regarding my TT setup as the stock one, he said first to get a "Tubeless Converter"(which is nothing but a air inlet nozzle complete setup), which can be bought from some puntcher shops. I found one and they quoted 280/- at first. When I said I wont buy for 280 they came down to 200/-. Anyway I didnt buy it and thought of collecting more information before buying one.
              My two queries are:
              1. Have anyone used this Tubeless converter. This is the first time Im hearing & when i saw it was kind of that air inlet setup. As per the MRF guy its mandatory to have it before converting from TT to TL setup. Is that so??
              2. What is the actual cost of this convertor. Is it really 200 or more?
              3. Is the price of the tire okay or have they quoted too high?? (BTW I'm from bangalore & I checked the RF showroom nearby Iblur bus stop)
              Yes, the price is too high, I bought an FY1 last month for 1600. Contact your local mrf sales office and get the price from there.

              This 'converter' is nothing but a standard tubeless valve. Could cost anywhere from free to 250 depending on the shop.

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              • Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

                Originally posted by susheelkumar View Post
                My two queries are:
                1. Have anyone used this Tubeless converter. This is the first time Im hearing & when i saw it was kind of that air inlet setup. As per the MRF guy its mandatory to have it before converting from TT to TL setup. Is that so??
                2. What is the actual cost of this convertor. Is it really 200 or more?
                3. Is the price of the tire okay or have they quoted too high?? (BTW I'm from bangalore & I checked the RF showroom nearby Iblur bus stop)
                It's called tubeless tyre nozzle in my place and it costs around 60. Tyres are around same price here.

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                • Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

                  Guys how is Mobil 1 fully syntectic racing 4T oil 10w40 grade...i am thinking to change the oil
                  Currently using tvs fully syntectic
                  Previously used shell ax7

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                  • Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

                    Originally posted by Shahryar Khan View Post
                    Guys how is Mobil 1 fully syntectic racing 4T oil 10w40 grade...i am thinking to change the oil
                    Currently using tvs fully syntectic
                    Previously used shell ax7
                    Its a really good oil, suits the motor, lasts long, engine runs smooth.
                    At first when the oil is completely new, gearshifts might get a lil rough but dont worry it becomes smooth after 100 -150 kms

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                    • Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

                      Thanks n what is the change interval...does it reduce vibes

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                      • Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

                        Originally posted by julianpaul View Post
                        Yes, the price is too high, I bought an FY1 last month for 1600. Contact your local mrf sales office and get the price from there.

                        This 'converter' is nothing but a standard tubeless valve. Could cost anywhere from free to 250 depending on the shop.
                        1600?? Wow!! Anyway let me check that out further.

                        Originally posted by John P Daniel View Post
                        It's called tubeless tyre nozzle in my place and it costs around 60. Tyres are around same price here.

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                        Thats pretty cheap & I believe thats the right price.

                        @All
                        BTW tubeless valve/tubeless nozzle/tubeless convertor the price range is pretty huge. BTW when I went to enquire about this in other local mechanic shops I could see two types. One is completely rubber type & another one is kind of metallic with rubber fitting in one end. The fully rubberized type is quoted as 100/- bucks. But my concern are they meant for bikes or cycles. Will it be really able to withstand the air pressure of bikes in pretty good speeds?
                        Also can anyone share the pic if anyone has put such a setup in your bike. Atleast I can be sure that Im not buying the wrong one.

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                        Adding images of two tubeless nozzles I came across:
                        The below one is quoted as 100/-rs. I'm concerned how reliable it is?
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                        Which one among this are you guys using??
                        Are all these coming in universal size? Do they have specific size depending on rim size or tire size?
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                        • Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

                          Originally posted by susheelkumar View Post
                          BTW tubeless valve/tubeless nozzle/tubeless convertor the price range is pretty huge. BTW when I went to enquire about this in other local mechanic shops I could see two types. One is completely rubber type & another one is kind of metallic with rubber fitting in one end. The fully rubberized type is quoted as 100/- bucks. But my concern are they meant for bikes or cycles. Will it be really able to withstand the air pressure of bikes in pretty good speeds?
                          Also can anyone share the pic if anyone has put such a setup in your bike. Atleast I can be sure that Im not buying the wrong one.

                          Which one among this are you guys using??
                          Are all these coming in universal size? Do they have specific size depending on rim size or tire size?
                          I'm using the metal, screw type one for the last 4 years or so, seems to be fine. TVS officially recommends the rubber one, check the 180 service manual for more details. Both work fine.

                          There seem to be two different rim hole sizes: .453 inch & .625 inch. Not sure what ours is, probably the smaller. see below for more details.

                          amazon.com/Slime-2080--Rubber-Valve-Stems/dp/B0041FCNU0

                          amazon.com/Slime-2079--Rubber-Valve-Stems/dp/B0041FCNQ4/

                          amazon.com/Slime-20149-Rubber-Valve-Stems/dp/B008FHX0DE

                          amazon.com/Slime-2081--Rubber-Valve-Stems/dp/B0041FCNXM

                          amazon.com/Slime-20004-Rubber-Tire-Valve/dp/B0041FAIES
                          Last edited by julianpaul; 06-11-2015, 01:08 PM.

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                          • Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

                            Originally posted by julianpaul View Post
                            I'm using the metal, screw type one for the last 4 years or so, seems to be fine. TVS officially recommends the rubber one, check the 180 service manual for more details. Both work fine.

                            There seem to be two different rim hole sizes: .453 inch & .625 inch. Not sure what ours is, probably the smaller. see below for more details.

                            amazon.com/Slime-2080--Rubber-Valve-Stems/dp/B0041FCNU0

                            amazon.com/Slime-2079--Rubber-Valve-Stems/dp/B0041FCNQ4/

                            amazon.com/Slime-20149-Rubber-Valve-Stems/dp/B008FHX0DE

                            amazon.com/Slime-2081--Rubber-Valve-Stems/dp/B0041FCNXM

                            amazon.com/Slime-20004-Rubber-Tire-Valve/dp/B0041FAIES
                            Thanks the for the reply @julianpaul. One of my friend @ajextreme is also using the same nozzle setup as yours. Even I too saw that the rubberized ones comes with different sizes while the metallic ones are kind of universal spec size. That is one reason I'm not confident in going for rubberized ones. And if at all you ask these size related stuffs to local mechanic they willb like ("Yeh sab gaadi ko challega").
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                            • Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

                              Originally posted by susheelkumar View Post
                              Thanks the for the reply @julianpaul. One of my friend @ajextreme is also using the same nozzle setup as yours. Even I too saw that the rubberized ones comes with different sizes while the metallic ones are kind of universal spec size. That is one reason I'm not confident in going for rubberized ones. And if at all you ask these size related stuffs to local mechanic they willb like ("Yeh sab gaadi ko challega").
                              The problem here is amazon has too much variety!

                              Local guys should be able to give you whatever works for local gaadis. Only problem is the cost if they decide to rip you off!



                              -Julian

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                              • Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

                                Update:
                                -Current engine oil being used: Shell ax7 10w40, observing a dip in oil level during long rides of > 350km in a day.
                                -No symptoms of oil consumption by the engine. Doesn't look like there are any leaking gaskets etc.
                                -The air box has hardly about 10-20ml of oil which I think is expected, so I don't think there is excessive blow-by of gases past the piston either, not sure though. Going to try a different oil to see if there is a dip in engine oil level.
                                -Nearing 30,000km on the odo and bike is in all stock conditions except for the front tyre and rear sprocket (using rtr 160's 44T rear sprocket)
                                -Planning to go for a HDEO oil during next oil change as they have relatively higher amount of detergents and help in cleansing the engine internals (just trying this for about 1500km). Engine head has not been decarbonised yet.
                                -Also planning to use fuel additive such as system g etc for the next full tank of fuel.
                                -The next cosmetic mod in the pipeline is integrated tail-light :P will try this out over the next 2weeks and update this thread
                                -Timing chain seems to be making noticeable sound but nothing alarming at the moment.
                                -Now the rear tvs tyre skids at the slightest hint of wet road or sand on the road without even applying the brakes. Looking at a tyre change in the next 6-7k km :O
                                - Brake pads - 4th set of front brake pads, rear brake pads are still stock and have lots of life left.
                                -The troublesome oil filter bolt is finally fixed and no more oil leakage

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