Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

I wish i would be the lucky owner of that xtreme..[emoji4]

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I would request you to give a proper diy on how to tune xtreme,and tappet adjustment, so that future buyers can be benefited.

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Dont take it otherwise but his signature explains carb tuning , mine signature has link to my experience of carb tuning , DIY thread has a xtreme tappet adjustment topic. Rest almost everything is covered in this thread just one needs to search it and thats where one loses patience searching 800+pages

Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

Thanks for the help guys. As of now the bike has started. But long term reliability remains a concern. Luckily both times bike had stalled near my house..


As if to add to the existing trouble, the my Dream Yuga's swingarm has sweaking. Dont know what else to expect. Also front brake make tak sound under moderate braking. Surprisingly many Dream Yugas (even latest ones) have this problem. There are 3 in my neighbourhood and all have same issue.
If I compare a new Dream to my bike, I find many small physical changes with respect to positioning of crash guard, brake lever, etc and change in type of clamping/bolting. No doubt these changes have been done after receiving feedback from customers. Since I work in manufacturing industry, I observe that whenever a new product is launched, inspite of pre-launch tests and trials, there tend to be certain defects which are resolved over a period of time only after customer feedback & continuous improvement. Having said that, a component's quality may increase/decrease. i.e. if a part is over-engineered or of very high quality, its quality might get decreased to match real life conditions. Vice-versa (increase in quality) also happens similarly. So in case of a newly launched bike/car there tend to certain issues which might crop up. Offcourse each and every one might not be defective and only some examples like my bike are faulty.
About local Honda dealer: At the time of new bike delivery, they remove the free service coupons and keep those with them. They do this so that customer can drop his bike for service even after recommended service interval has been passed. The customers too are okay with this practice since it adds to flexibility. Now since the service coupons have been taken customer has no idea what actual service intervals are. So the dealer pastes a schedule on the last page of owner's manual. According to company, 4 free services are to be completed in 1 year but the dealer schedule has reduced it to 7 months. Thus the dealer is free to loot innocent customers for "paid service" thereafter.
Due to this experience, my trust in Honda has gone and I sometimes even think of selling my Dream and buying a new Splendor. I stay in a rural area, I find many Hero bikes (mostly badly abused) used on kaccha roads in and around farms but still they dont breakdown and serve their owner well.
Sorry for too much OT...

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Is this bike dream yuga or dream nightmare for the buyers, what the hell is honda trying to do, what iam seeing is just complaints and complaints and some of them are from very uncommon. Just show your bike to svc and if they don't respond write to company's head office.

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Brother the hero borrows its engine from honda.. for example passion xpro shares the engine from yuga.. ignitor shares engine from stunner
Even the current and previous engines of splendour, etc were designed by techs at honda..
Both honda and hero are reliable... check whether the xpro owners are facing same problem!


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Honda is just trying to bring cheaper models, they have already introduced two models of dream series and are on the verge of introducing the third one, honda's main aim is to make hole in hero's fort, but sadly with such inferior products and very very poor sales service they won't be able to do that.

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Ya Hero borrow tech from Honda but it entirely builds the bike on its own with most of the components produced in inhouse. Compare a dream yuga and xpro and you will see how well put is xpro than dream yuga. The xpro both looks sturdier and better strength than yuga. And i have heard no complains from xpro owners.

Just borrowing technology doesn't mean quality and durability is same. Since both companies manufacture on their own so quality of components differ a lot and it is no surprise that Hero bikes cost more than their counterparts.

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Wth, doesn't the owners manual have a page with the service chart that specifies in brief the regular tasks that have to be done at every service/km interval ?
Also the free and paid service coupons have two parts, one part is torn off and retained by the asc and the smaller bit is left in the owners manual.
That is how it is on the manuals i have seen from honda

But again this practice by the asc which you have reported is wrong and you should be reporting this to honda via their email/website feedback. If your free & paid service coupons were removed when the bike was purchased, pls post a pic of the manual and inform honda.
this discussion, some ppl might call 'OT' but.. maybe mods can merge these past few posts to the dream yuga thread.

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there are bound to be a few lemons, the real reason for the failure sometimes might be the due to the rider itself and sometimes due to a mechanical failure under normal conditions due to various reasons .. it is how the dealer/asc/ company responds in fixing these. Sadly its the same with 90% of the asc's for all the brands.. they wash their hands off after the sale is made.
hero bikes used to cost more primarily due to the royalty it used to pay honda which i think they still pay (albeit a reduced amount compared to when it was 'hero honda')

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Complaints are bound to happen you can't make all of the products 100% flawless, but the question is freqnecy of complaints, in which Honda is leading handsomly, both xpro and yuga have same engine but in a different tune plus the quality of the parts are totally different, i have heard one or two complaints but none of them was due to faulty engine or any other part, when honda separated from hero they were thinking themselves of having upper hand and thought hero wouldn't be able to survive in front of them, but Hero has really come out as real Hero, not only they have exceeded there sale,but maintaining the quality of product as ever and giving 5year warranty on the products.

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Does anybody knows which bike has a drain bolt with 13 mm thread diameter? I want a bolt with that size

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Re: Hero Moto Splendor/Joy/CD-Dawn/Passion

Much awaited log of my Joys engine re-built.

Since last engine re-built bike has run approx 75k kms. Last overhaul had used USHA bore kit, and the crank was overhauled. But as expected with crank overhaul in Hero engines crank overhaul is not that beneficial like new cranks. More on that later.

So on 18th april i.e on Good friday decided to overhaul the engine. Bike was running on Shell Advance Ultra 10W 40 and the oil has run only 1500 km. So i knew that engine will be super clean and since my engine oils are drained before due date so my engines never need cleaning.

The bike was not consuming oil, infact the compression was quite hard and bike had excellent pick up and mileage. The reason for opening the engine was the crank was rattling like anything and was making loud noise.

So first i bought all the spares.

The spares purchased( all are purchased from my friends shop):-

1. New bore kit(OE after opening the new bore packing and checking the ring gaps and also piston clearance then only bought it)- Rs. 1650.

2. New crank shaft- Rs. 2500

3. Clutch plates( old one were like new still changed as engine was opened so changed it)- Rs. 336

4. Packing Kit- Rs. 325

5. O-ring kit

6. Timing chain(DID, old one was DID and was having no sound, still changed it for good)

7. Neutral cap and strip for neutral switch.

8. Valve kit( old one was not damaged but changed it as seat has become slightly thin)

You will see that i haven't changed many parts like timing kit, ckutch housing, GPT, e.t.c as those parts were like new and changing would be waste of time and money.

So it was decided that engine re-built will be completed in two hours.

My mechanic and me sat down to strip the engine and rebuit.


Some photos:-
There are two ways of removing engine from chasis. One is to disconnect engine magnet wires from the CDI connector or remove the stator plate from engine. I prefer the latter method of removing the stator plate from engine.



The Magnet side cover is removed and the magnet is opened and then the stator plate is removed. Also the chain is removed by opening the front sprocket from counter shaft.


The engine has been removed from chasis and oil has been drained. Now we proceeded to opening the clutch cover and removing the clutch section. A iron stool was used as engine bench for holding the engine.


The clutch cover was opened and the Gpt and clutch housing is being inspected by me for wear and tear. You can see how clean the engine is from the photos.


the centrifugal rotor has been removed and then the GPT is being removed. Opening the clutch bolt to remove the clutch.


The clutch housing has been removed and now the gear shifter along with its shifter mechanism is being removed. The shifter mechanism is bit tricky to understand especially for newbies who intend to open the engine. For me it has become like a routine and i never look at how it is removed.


The bore has been removed and the engine is getting ready for the crank cases to be split.



The head filled with carbon. You can see the exhaust valve to be reddish in color.



The valves removed for fitting new valves and polishing the seats. You can see that the ports have negligible carbon.


The engine rotated to remove the crankcases. The bolts for removing two center crankcase are towards the left of engine. After removing the bolts the crankcases were split open.


The new OE bore kit. You can look how well the bore is honed and the bore is also new bore. Was washed with petrol to remove any dirt sticking and cover with a polyethylene to prevent dust from falling on it.


Thats the old USHA bore and you can see has negligible wear. Sadly for the crank have to open that otherwise would have run another 50k.

New crank and new bore waiting to be cleaned and fitted. You can see how well the crank is finished. The new crank came to around Rs. 2450. If you compare it to re-building a crank it comes out better bargain. As rebuilding a crank will cost RS. 1000 at Lathe, new bearing will cost Rs. 350. Total comes to around Rs. 1400 and you have a crank that is not dynamically balanced and will start making noise at 50k kms. Gone are the days when lathe operators used to be old men with glasses as thick as magnifying glass. But they can tell defect with naked eyes which we cannot see. Todays young guys who runs lathe do not have same experience nor passion towards work.


The new pistons with rings fitted and set according to their respective ring placement. Ring placement is an important part as in correct placement will cause oil consumption. Have discussed that in this thread itself.




The crank removed from the crankcase with only the shifter and counter gears left in case. The engine has not been cleaned and you can notice regular oil change has its benefits in keeping engine clean.



Thats the gear condition after 3.75 lacs kilometers. Gentle driving and smooth gearshift along with regular oil change is the key. Sudden gear changes and opening of throttle, ripping like ass on fire are determinable to gear box. Moreover it shows the quality of components, no wonder hero's gear wheels are costly.



The crankcase was completely stripped to install the neutral strip as it is a small copper strip of RS. 15 but if not changed during engine opening then when it will break have to open complete engine for changing it.



Another picture of gear after a distance of almost travelling to moon.



The gear box and crankshaft fit. The crank was checked for proper seating in the crankcase.


The packing kit was fixed with the help of grease so that it doesn't slip while joining the crankcases.


Here the kick is set. Setting of kick is also an experience work as it requires patience and skill. Easiest method is fixing the lick lever and adjusting.


The crankcases has been joined and no the engine is not cleaned. This is the same engine without washing.



The clutch plate was fitted after keeping it dipped in oil for half an hour. Fitting the plates after dipping in oil for half an hour ensures that the plates lasts real long.


Sorry no more photos as was busy with work and hand got fully black.

Finished the entire re-built in one and a half hour and engine was started.

Any particular question and you all are free to ask.

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[MENTION=28527]sibun[/MENTION]
oh man...
simply amazing.... i love to see such overhauls.
By the way, what is that kick method? "Easiest method is fixing the lick lever and adjusting"?
adjusting what? You mean that kick return spring. In my time, i did that using a screw driver, first matched the marks of kick leaver & spring. Then using a screw driver rotated it, and then pushed IN, its position.

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Very Very well done and properly explained, great Sibun.

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[MENTION=28527]sibun[/MENTION] sir
Awesome
May I ask why the kit used was oe and not usha kit? Also did you let it run for an hour and then let it cool off and run again to harden the bore? Amazing

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