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  • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

    Originally posted by Abhishek Nama View Post
    @rreneav

    Tyre: Good to know that the stock tyres are fine. No plan to change the tyre now, maybe in the future.
    Oil: I agree with you regarding warranty, no plan change the oil for now.
    Kickstart: it will be sorely missed on the zmr, cold starting will be hard for me as I have never done that, can you give me an idea/ more details.
    Fi: I have never driven a bike with FI, I am sure it's excellent.

    No bike is perfect and we can compromise on little things for an overall good experience.
    Btw, thanks for sharing your experience, your post answered many of my questions.

    Still have many questions, will post them in a while.
    When we say cold start.. it means the engine hasnt been started for a week or more.. also during winters early morning start.. in carb bikes we have choke which helps us start the bike in a couple of kicks or self cranks.. but thats the advantage here in zmr and some fi bikes.. you dont require choke nor it is present in the bike.. in other words.. a single self will bring the engime to life even if you havent started the bike in weeks..

    Fi is one of the greatest technolgies and zmr uses pgmfi from honda which is one step ahead of other fi.. zmr has got many sensors which benefits the bike.. eg if you fall down while riding, there is a side angle sensor which cuts off the fuel after a fall..

    Cons of fi.. not all the road side mechanics know much about it..

    What other questions you have??

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    Last edited by rreneav1987; 06-01-2013, 01:40 PM.
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    • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

      Originally posted by Raja Saiyan View Post
      Booked this beast and waiting its arrival . .
      Congratsss

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      • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

        When we say cold start.. it means the engine hasnt been started for a week or more.. also during winters early morning start.. in carb bikes we have choke which helps us start the bike in a couple of kicks or self cranks.. but thats the advantage here in zmr and some fi bikes.. you dont require choke nor it is present in the bike.. in other words.. a single self will bring the engime to life even if you havent started the bike in weeks..
        Yes, sorry misunderstood and used the wrong term
        I am aware that if the battery is down we have to push the bike and start. I am not sure on how to do this- can you shed some light here?


        Fi is one of the greatest technolgies and zmr uses pgmfi from honda which is one step ahead of other fi.. zmr has got many sensors which benefits the bike.. eg if you fall down while riding, there is a side angle sensor which cuts off the fuel after a fall..
        Yes, the ZMR is loaded with sensors, and is also known for its accurate digital console. I hope FI lives upto the expectations.


        Cons of fi.. not all the road side mechanics know much about it..
        This is definitely a con, however, for such problems I would prefer to take to the SVC (provided they are good).


        What other questions you have??
        Here you go:

        I have posed some questions, and I have also mentioned the possible answers to them, please correct me if I am wrong.

        Warranty Questions:

        1. Will Auto Cop or other remote safety equipment void the warranty?
        A. AFAIK- No.


        2. Will changing the rear/front or both the tyres void the warranty?- (Just for my knowledge)
        A. Yes- If same size. No- If you use a different size.


        3. Will changing the headlight bulb void the warranty?
        A. Please clear this up for me.

        ================================================== ===========================================

        Modifications/Upgrades:



        1. Taping on alloys: Red.
        2. Headlight: Upgrade to Osram Nightbreaker. ( If it doesn't void warranty)
        3. Spark Plugs?- NGK Iridium/ alternate (Is it absolutely necessary?)

        ================================================== ===========================================

        Some Random Questions:

        1. How much is the reserve?
        A. 3 lt

        2. One of the members posted: "make sure you have at least 2 points on your fuel indicator so that you dont damage your FI/fuel pump"
        A. Can you please share more details on this. The above statement is clear, however I want confirmation.

        3. How much mileage can I initially expect?
        A.

        4. How much mileage will it eventually give?
        A. This depends on riding habits, however it may give around 40-45 kpl.

        5. Which liquid should I use for chain cleaning?
        A. WD 40.

        6. Which oil to use?
        A. I am planning on sticking with HH oil for now. But what do you guys suggest to use, later on?

        7. Since spare parts are hard to come by, one of the members have posted other brand parts which are compatible with the ZMR, I have posted it below, if anyone can confirm it, it'll be great.

        Sprockets - P220 chain & sprocket is a direct fit( need 2 extra links on the chain)
        Disc pads - Apache RTR pads are a direct fit
        Clutch plates- Unicorn Clutch is a direct fit.

        8. One of the member posted that idling the bike for 2 minutes before riding is a good habit, can someone explain why and it's advantages.

        ================================================== ===========================================

        That's it for now, sorry for asking many questions, but I am sure my questions/answers will help other members as well.
        I would request the member to answer point wise, as it would help me track and to note down the points.
        Last edited by Abhishek Nama; 06-01-2013, 04:11 PM.

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        • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

          Originally posted by Abhishek Nama View Post
          Yes, sorry misunderstood and used the wrong term
          I am aware that if the battery is down we have to push the bike and start. I am not sure on how to do this- can you shed some light here?




          Yes, the ZMR is loaded with sensors, and is also known for its accurate digital console. I hope FI lives upto the expectations.




          This is definitely a con, however, for such problems I would prefer to take to the SVC (provided they are good).




          Here you go:

          I have posed some questions, and I have also mentioned the possible answers to them, please correct me if I am wrong.

          Warranty Questions:

          1. Will Auto Cop or other remote safety equipment void the warranty?
          A. AFAIK- No.


          2. Will changing the rear/front or both the tyres void the warranty?- (Just for my knowledge)
          A. Yes- If same size. No- If you use a different size.


          3. Will changing the headlight bulb void the warranty?
          A. Please clear this up for me.

          ================================================== ===========================================

          Modifications/Upgrades:



          1. Taping on alloys: Red.
          2. Headlight: Upgrade to Osram Nightbreaker. ( If it doesn't void warranty)
          3. Spark Plugs?- NGK Iridium/ alternate (Is it absolutely necessary?)

          ================================================== ===========================================

          Some Random Questions:

          1. How much is the reserve?
          A. 3 lt

          2. One of the members posted: "make sure you have at least 2 points on your fuel indicator so that you dont damage your FI/fuel pump"
          A. Can you please share more details on this. The above statement is clear, however I want confirmation.

          3. How much mileage can I initially expect?
          A.

          4. How much mileage will it eventually give?
          A. This depends on riding habits, however it may give around 40-45 kpl.

          5. Which liquid should I use for chain cleaning?
          A. WD 40.

          6. Which oil to use?
          A. I am planning on sticking with HH oil for now. But what do you guys suggest to use, later on?

          7. Since spare parts are hard to come by, one of the members have posted other brand parts which are compatible with the ZMR, I have posted it below, if anyone can confirm it, it'll be great.

          Sprockets - P220 chain & sprocket is a direct fit( need 2 extra links on the chain)
          Disc pads - Apache RTR pads are a direct fit
          Clutch plates- Unicorn Clutch is a direct fit.

          8. One of the member posted that idling the bike for 2 minutes before riding is a good habit, can someone explain why and it's advantages.

          ================================================== ===========================================

          That's it for now, sorry for asking many questions, but I am sure my questions/answers will help other members as well.
          I would request the member to answer point wise, as it would help me track and to note down the points.
          1- Autocop does not void warranty AFAIK cause in our place the dealer gives it by default.
          HOWEVER electrical modifications void the warranty. This is what is given in the book. Ask the manager there if Autocop voids it or no.

          2- changing the tyre to a different dimension will void warranty. Pleas do correct me if am mistaken.

          3- As changing bulb comes in electrical mod, it does void. That's what my friend was told who has a cbz. He wanted to go for osram.

          Changing spark plugs? For what joy??
          And speaking of lower fuel level, no it wil not harm the engine if less than two bars are there. In al these 3years I've filled up fuel when the bars blinks. Infact I ride 30kms approx from when the bar blinks as thats my distance of commute. However make sure the level is not so low that your engine goes off. That might be harmful.
          Mileage- starting it might be low and also engine may heat up a lot (my tank sides used to burn) followed by fibre like smell. All are expected.

          And idling for few minutes before commuting- I seriously dunno the reason , someone please do enlighten!!



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          • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

            Originally posted by abhi7013 View Post

            1- Autocop does not void warranty AFAIK cause in our place the dealer gives it by default.
            HOWEVER electrical modifications void the warranty. This is what is given in the book. Ask the manager there if Autocop voids it or no.

            Thanks, will confirm with the manager.


            2- changing the tyre to a different dimension will void warranty. Pleas do correct me if am mistaken.

            Yes, AFAIK using different size/dimension tyre voids the warranty. i am pretty sure.


            3- As changing bulb comes in electrical mod, it does void. That's what my friend was told who has a cbz. He wanted to go for osram.

            Thanks for clearing this, no headlight upgrade then


            Changing spark plugs? For what joy??

            I just asked for my knowledge, no plans to change the spark plug now.

            And speaking of lower fuel level, no it wil not harm the engine if less than two bars are there. In al these 3years I've filled up fuel when the bars blinks. Infact I ride 30kms approx from when the bar blinks as thats my distance of commute. However make sure the level is not so low that your engine goes off. That might be harmful.
            Mileage- starting it might be low and also engine may heat up a lot (my tank sides used to burn) followed by fibre like smell. All are expected.

            Thanks for clearing this as well.


            And idling for few minutes before commuting- I seriously dunno the reason , someone please do enlighten!!

            I am not sure as well, as I mentioned one of the members posted it.


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            Thanks for sharing, my replies are in bold.

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            • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

              Originally posted by Abhishek Nama View Post
              Here you go:

              I have posed some questions, and I have also mentioned the possible answers to them, please correct me if I am wrong.

              Warranty Questions:

              1. Will Auto Cop or other remote safety equipment void the warranty?
              A. AFAIK- They provide it along with the bike as an Option, hence I don't think its going to void the warranty.. however check up with the managers before purchase and get it in written. They might say no it won't void warranty so that they get money :P You will never know...



              2. Will changing the rear/front or both the tyres void the warranty?- (Just for my knowledge)
              A. I am not sure here.. few people say they have changed the tires and they were not asked anything about it at the time of claiming warranty and some people say they have been asked to why they changed the tire and it voids the warranty.. someone here mentioned it in the previous posts..


              3. Will changing the headlight bulb void the warranty?
              A. Changing anything from stock is going to void the warranty.. here possible that it will void it.. you can change it if you like.. but before taking the bike for claiming warranty.. get the bulb changed to stock they can never find out


              ================================================== ===========================================

              Modifications/Upgrades:


              1. Taping on alloys: Red.
              2. Headlight: Upgrade to Osram Nightbreaker. ( If it doesn't void warranty)
              3. Spark Plugs?- NGK Iridium/ alternate (Is it absolutely necessary?)

              why do you wanna change the spark plug.. I find the iridium spark plugs not worth it..

              ================================================== ===========================================

              Some Random Questions:

              1. How much is the reserve?
              A. It is usually 2lts and here we don't have the Main and reserve Knob being a FI unit..

              2. One of the members posted: "make sure you have at least 2 points on your fuel indicator so that you dont damage your FI/fuel pump"
              A. Well the reason behind this is to save the Fuel Pump.. Fuel Pump should not get dry and fuel should always be present in it.. if you try cranking the Engine with no fuel in the fuel pump.. then you are gonna kaput it.. but I have run my bike without fuel a couple of times (touchwood) Thank God nothing happened to it..


              3. How much mileage can I initially expect?
              A. You can't expect good mileage from any bike/car when it is new.. so in rough.. you can expect some 35kmpl

              4. How much mileage will it eventually give?
              A. This depends on riding habits, however it may give around 40-45 kpl... (yup.. it can give you 40-45kmpl provided you are running on stock tire size...

              5. Which liquid should I use for chain cleaning?
              A. I actually don't know.. When I took my Black Pearl to the Castrol Zone.. they used Motul Lubrication to lubricate the chain..

              6. Which oil to use?
              A. well.. if you go back a few pages.. @divya sharan and @psr sir have mentioned about Shell Rimula R3X and R4 which are Diesel Engine Oils respectively.. I am yet to try it waiting for my salary.. heard that it has sweetened the vibes from the engine and has reduced the heating to an extent.. more reviews to come from the other users who recently switched over.. I am gonna have search for it here in Delhi..


              7. Since spare parts are hard to come by, one of the members have posted other brand parts which are compatible with the ZMR, I have posted it below, if anyone can confirm it, it'll be great.

              Sprockets - P220 chain & sprocket is a direct fit( need 2 extra links on the chain) (correction - Only the rear sprocket from Pulsar series is a direct fit to the ZMA/ZMR.. my suggestion is don't go for it.. infact you will easily get the ZMA/ZMR chain sprockets and they are cheaper and better in terms of life compared to the Pulsar series..)
              Disc pads - Apache RTR pads are a direct fit (RTR pads are a direct fit)
              Clutch plates- Unicorn Clutch is a direct fit. (I am not sure about these as I haven't required these till now)

              8. One of the member posted that idling the bike for 2 minutes before riding is a good habit, can someone explain why and it's advantages.
              this is a good habit as your bike will get warmed up.. it doesn't have to be 2 minutes.. start the bike before wearing your gloves & helmets and before cleaning/dusting off your bike early morning.. Also don't forget to inspect the bike before you ride the bike.. this is in general.. inspecting the brakes, air pressure and lights...


              ================================================== ===========================================

              That's it for now, sorry for asking many questions, but I am sure my questions/answers will help other members as well.
              I would request the member to answer point wise, as it would help me track and to note down the points.
              Replies in bold.. and feel free to ask more questions
              Last edited by rreneav1987; 06-01-2013, 06:42 PM. Reason: spelling correction
              Splendor - 2k to 2006
              Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
              P180 - 2k6 to 2k9
              Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
              ZMR - 2010 to Forever
              RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
              Ninja 250R (2010) - 2016 til now
              RayZ - 2015 til now
              Ninja 650 (2014) - 2017 til now


              Delhi to Narkanda
              Delhi to Coimbatore
              Delhi to Nepal

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              • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                The ZMR Fuel pump lives outside the petrol tank and is very close to the left(Gear side) side panel..so running the tank dry will not harm the Pump...but it is not a good practice to do even in non Fi bikes, because all the sediments at the bottom of the tank is likely to get into the Fuel Pump/ Carb/Fuel injector , and cause greater trouble.....

                Idling an Engine for a minute at first start,after a gap of 3 hrs , is a good Practice Advised Globally for the Longevity of the engine....
                When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                  Originally posted by psr View Post
                  The ZMR Fuel pump lives outside the petrol tank and is very close to the left(Gear side) side panel..so running the tank dry will not harm the Pump...but it is not a good practice to do even in non Fi bikes, because all the sediments at the bottom of the tank is likely to get into the Fuel Pump/ Carb/Fuel injector , and cause greater trouble.....

                  Idling an Engine for a minute at first start,after a gap of 3 hrs , is a good Practice Advised Globally for the Longevity of the engine....
                  I am sure you are correct and thats the same thing I had in my mind but the SVC guys kept insisting me not to run my bike below 4lts of fuel.. I kept bugging them to why and they said it will harm the Fuel Pump if it runs below 4lts of fuel.. i always abused them for the same

                  but why do they insist on keeping the fuel above 5lts sir?? any idea??
                  Splendor - 2k to 2006
                  Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
                  P180 - 2k6 to 2k9
                  Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
                  ZMR - 2010 to Forever
                  RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
                  Ninja 250R (2010) - 2016 til now
                  RayZ - 2015 til now
                  Ninja 650 (2014) - 2017 til now


                  Delhi to Narkanda
                  Delhi to Coimbatore
                  Delhi to Nepal

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                  • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                    Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post
                    I am sure you are correct and thats the same thing I had in my mind but the SVC guys kept insisting me not to run my bike below 4lts of fuel.. I kept bugging them to why and they said it will harm the Fuel Pump if it runs below 4lts of fuel.. i always abused them for the same

                    but why do they insist on keeping the fuel above 5lts sir?? any idea??
                    Two possibilities...
                    1. Absolute Ignorance , that the Fuel Pump is Outside the Fuel Tank....
                    2. The Possibility of dirt from Petrol/ tank ruining the Fuel pump if you run it dry...but warning should be for 1~2 liters in tank and not 4 liters....Guess it is the First point which made them say so.
                    Next time ask them as to where the Fuel pump is, and their answer will show which of the TWO points is in their minds
                    Last edited by psr; 06-01-2013, 07:30 PM.
                    When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                    • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                      Originally posted by psr View Post
                      Two possibilities...
                      1. Absolute Ignorance , that the Fuel Pump is Outside the Fuel Tank....
                      2. The Possibility of dirt from Petrol/ tank ruining the Fuel pump if you run it dry...but warning should be for 1~2 liters in tank and not 4 liters....Guess it is the First point which made them say so.
                      I see.. anyways.. ever since i had to push the bike for 5kms early morning 2:30.. i decided never to let the fuel indicator blink
                      Splendor - 2k to 2006
                      Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
                      P180 - 2k6 to 2k9
                      Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
                      ZMR - 2010 to Forever
                      RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
                      Ninja 250R (2010) - 2016 til now
                      RayZ - 2015 til now
                      Ninja 650 (2014) - 2017 til now


                      Delhi to Narkanda
                      Delhi to Coimbatore
                      Delhi to Nepal

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                      • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                        Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post
                        I see.. anyways.. ever since i had to push the bike for 5kms early morning 2:30.. i decided never to let the fuel indicator blink
                        Life is always a better teacher than all our knowledge....
                        When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                        • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                          Originally posted by psr View Post
                          The ZMR Fuel pump lives outside the petrol tank and is very close to the left(Gear side) side panel..so running the tank dry will not harm the Pump...but it is not a good practice to do even in non Fi bikes, because all the sediments at the bottom of the tank is likely to get into the Fuel Pump/ Carb/Fuel injector , and cause greater trouble.....

                          Idling an Engine for a minute at first start,after a gap of 3 hrs , is a good Practice Advised Globally for the Longevity of the engine....
                          Thanks for clearing my doubt about the fuel pump.
                          Awesome. Will make sure I follow the idling procedure without fail.


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                          • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                            Originally posted by rreneav1987 View Post
                            Replies in bold.. and feel free to ask more questions
                            Awesome, thank you for taking the time to respond in detail. I highly appreciate it
                            I am happy to say that all my questions have been cleared and I am going to the nearest dealer tomorrow.

                            Will keep you updated. Thank you very much @rreneav, btw- I would like to know your real name if it's okay to disclose

                            ----consecutive posts auto-merged-----

                            Originally posted by psr View Post
                            Life is always a better teacher than all our knowledge....
                            Very, very true. Life is the best teacher.

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                            • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                              Originally posted by Abhishek Nama View Post
                              Awesome, thank you for taking the time to respond in detail. I highly appreciate it
                              I am happy to say that all my questions have been cleared and I am going to the nearest dealer tomorrow.

                              Will keep you updated. Thank you very much @rreneav, btw- I would like to know your real name if it's okay to disclose
                              Hahaha.. dont mention it buddy.. my real name?? My real name is Reneav Jeyakumar..

                              Sent from my Spice Mi-530 using xBhp Connect mobile app
                              Splendor - 2k to 2006
                              Karizma - 2k3 to 2009
                              P180 - 2k6 to 2k9
                              Hunk - Oct 2k7 til now
                              ZMR - 2010 to Forever
                              RX135(2k) - 2013 to 2018
                              Ninja 250R (2010) - 2016 til now
                              RayZ - 2015 til now
                              Ninja 650 (2014) - 2017 til now


                              Delhi to Narkanda
                              Delhi to Coimbatore
                              Delhi to Nepal

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                              • Re: Hero Honda Karizma ZMR

                                Originally posted by psr View Post
                                Life is always a better teacher than all our knowledge....
                                Million likes to this line!! So damn true..

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                                ZMR- PGMFI re-defined

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