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  • Originally posted by Sunny View Post
    P220F Review Merged
    Sunny bro.. wrong thread . This particular review is of the P220 carb. The thread is of the P220 FI
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    • It's been a while since I was last on Xbhp....How's everybody doing...?

      Anyways, my bike will be going for its 5k service....now...(It's A year and 9 Months Old)...I need some head's up...somethings needed to be taken cared of..?
      Any advices?

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      • Originally posted by dream horse View Post
        first & foremost thanks for ur initative

        avenger & p220 have same capacity but the power & torque varies...this is due to so many factors....now by what means they have detuned other than carb (as the carb in avy is 29 against 32 of pulsar) & exhaust....
        The difference in specs is not so much :-

        220 Dtsi-
        Max. Power 21.04 @ 8500 (Ps @ RPM)
        Max. Torque 19.12 @ 7000 (Nm @ RPM)
        Avy 220-
        Max. Power (Ps @ rpm) 19.03 @ 8400
        Max. Torque (Nm @ rpm) 17.5 @ 7000

        Quite frankly I don't trust the figures that Bajaj gives out in the first place. Other than the factors you mentioned Exhaust/Carb will have an effect on the final out put. More over we don't know for sure if the bore x stroke is the same for both bikes.

        Originally posted by dream horse View Post

        my next thought i felt is they retained the head assy of 200 just by replacing the bore & crank with the carb same as in p200......is this how they have detuned ahh.. or there r more ways to detune a engine

        wat happens if i replace the 29 with 32...will the power improve or just i lose mileage...
        From what I've heard none of the 200's components are retained and also the head for the 220 and 200 are a bit different so there is no way that they would have retained it.

        Originally posted by Prongs View Post
        It's been a while since I was last on Xbhp....How's everybody doing...?

        Anyways, my bike will be going for its 5k service....now...(It's A year and 9 Months Old)...I need some head's up...somethings needed to be taken cared of..?
        Any advices?
        5K... Cool Nothing at all to worry

        Just change oil and filters.
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        • Originally posted by Praful View Post
          The difference in specs is not so much :-

          220 Dtsi-
          Max. Power 21.04 @ 8500 (Ps @ RPM)
          Max. Torque 19.12 @ 7000 (Nm @ RPM)
          Avy 220-
          Max. Power (Ps @ rpm) 19.03 @ 8400
          Max. Torque (Nm @ rpm) 17.5 @ 7000

          Quite frankly I don't trust the figures that Bajaj gives out in the first place. Other than the factors you mentioned Exhaust/Carb will have an effect on the final out put. More over we don't know for sure if the bore x stroke is the same for both bikes.

          From what I've heard none of the 200's components are retained and also the head for the 220 and 200 are a bit different so there is no way that they would have retained it.
          the diff in power rating directly reflects on top speed even though the final ratio as altered......when p220 does 140 y can't avy do 125 but thats not the case it just does 118 & runs out of breath

          both engine have same bore x stroke there is no change in it.......

          yes as u said pulsar 220 (i hope not in avenger) has a diff & work head to produce those power at crank point they will be less when u measure in rear wheel (say it will 17 hp at rear wheel due so many losses)

          i figured the carb has also gone down from 32 to 29 this will really decrease the power but not to this extent & one of the most important factor for cruiser is torque which is also decreased by 2 NM which is really a killing factor hence i thought they have a used the p200 setup head assy which will have normal cam compared to p220's long duration & high lift cam & a fluid dynamic designed ports which will really reduce the cost.

          for a cruiser the torq should not be produced so hig. as this derived from a street bike (p220) they should have kept the rating as same which will be really a treat of high speed crusing

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          • The Avy has different gear ratios in comparision to the Pulsar thats why the difference in topspeed.

            But I do agree with you about the engine being to high strung for a crusier. The older 175cc Kawasaki engine was the best setup for this bike, sadly that era came to an end like all good things.


            PS: A carb will not have such an adverse affect on Power/Torque figures.
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            • Originally posted by Praful View Post
              Mileage is dependent on a lot varying factors from air pressure, state of chain, filter life and what not.

              Is there a ProBiking service centre you have access too? I would suggest showing your bike to them.

              For the kind of riding conditions you mentioned you should get about 35-38 which is actually the average figure that everyone gets.
              Thanks praful brother!
              came back from 300kms trip today so i just viewed your reply. first 3 months have been pain in the a** but after this trip i've whole better name for 220 awesome!! i am in love with my 220.it was steady,comfortable and most of all powerful. mileage seemed to increase in highway,(sorry but ive never ridden 220 in highway before but my old stunner used give less mileage in highway than city:confused sorry for going OT there ) it gave me around 45-47 kms/ltr. a little vibrations but only till 4 k rpm after that it flies, too bad our highways are a bit ......(not wide,i cant remember word) so i didnt got to check its top speed it may be around 125-130 i guess.coz i touched 103km/hrs in 5th gear at 6k rpm my friends who were on p150 and shine were way back then me i think i can also ride fast may be its just the bike heheh
              any way....here in xbhp i've seen many people have switched to dtsi version is this because of any pro or cons of these bikes??(Praful brother if im not wrong you too switched to dtsi right? sorry if im wrong.)here we dont have many probiking centeres (only 1 in kathmandu,may be 5-10 in whole country)and if you get any problems in highway or far fron probiking then mechanics may not know how to fix fi bikes.(mechanics here even gets confused and cant fix tubeless tyres good )so i wanted to switch to dtsi but second hand bikes rates are very low and new 220dtsi costs 2,32,000 rs,so i dont want to spend my parents money for nothing, sure it looks good in all black theme but i like my fi better. it looks different from the 220 i see in roads and its fuel injected and many people here dont know about fi bikes and i do (thanks to this site!!) and i feel proud to be the owner of 220 fi.

              A question here......my bike touched 100 in fifth gear in 6k rpm is it same to others??? i didnt ripped my bike just accelerated slowly.
              i dont know what oil my bike is running with but im switching to 15w50 tomorrow (dont know which brand) do i have to flush my engine??(i dont know what oil was used it may be fully synthetic so im worried)
              and about petrol, we dont have options here its only one kind petrol no speed97 etc etc . and probiking mech here never heard about doubletaping in faring or nitrogen being filled in tyres
              may be i need bring my bike there for proper servicing
              thanks brother i really appreciate your help and hope for future help tooo
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              • Originally posted by robean-gyalchen View Post
                Thanks praful brother!
                came back from 300kms trip today so i just viewed your reply. first 3 months have been pain in the a** but after this trip i've whole better name for 220 awesome!! i am in love with my 220.it was steady,comfortable and most of all powerful. mileage seemed to increase in highway,(sorry but ive never ridden 220 in highway before but my old stunner used give less mileage in highway than city:confused sorry for going OT there ) it gave me around 45-47 kms/ltr. a little vibrations but only till 4 k rpm after that it flies, too bad our highways are a bit ......(not wide,i cant remember word) so i didnt got to check its top speed it may be around 125-130 i guess.coz i touched 103km/hrs in 5th gear at 6k rpm my friends who were on p150 and shine were way back then me i think i can also ride fast may be its just the bike heheh
                You got more mileage on the highway because of less frequent gear changes and maintaining an almost constant average speed.

                Originally posted by robean-gyalchen View Post
                any way....here in xbhp i've seen many people have switched to dtsi version is this because of any pro or cons of these bikes??(Praful brother if im not wrong you too switched to dtsi right? sorry if im wrong.)here we dont have many probiking centeres (only 1 in kathmandu,may be 5-10 in whole country)and if you get any problems in highway or far fron probiking then mechanics may not know how to fix fi bikes.(mechanics here even gets confused and cant fix tubeless tyres good )so i wanted to switch to dtsi but second hand bikes rates are very low and new 220dtsi costs 2,32,000 rs,so i dont want to spend my parents money for nothing, sure it looks good in all black theme but i like my fi better. it looks different from the 220 i see in roads and its fuel injected and many people here dont know about fi bikes and i do (thanks to this site!!) and i feel proud to be the owner of 220 fi.
                Nope I still ride the 220 FI as it suits my requirements better.

                Don't worry about the bike breaking down, everything except the FI unit can be fixed by other mech's as well. And the FI unit is pretty reliable so far.

                Originally posted by robean-gyalchen View Post
                A question here......my bike touched 100 in fifth gear in 6k rpm is it same to others??? i didnt ripped my bike just accelerated slowly.
                i dont know what oil my bike is running with but im switching to 15w50 tomorrow (dont know which brand) do i have to flush my engine??(i dont know what oil was used it may be fully synthetic so im worried)
                and about petrol, we dont have options here its only one kind petrol no speed97 etc etc . and probiking mech here never heard about doubletaping in faring or nitrogen being filled in tyres
                may be i need bring my bike there for proper servicing
                thanks brother i really appreciate your help and hope for future help tooo
                100 in 6K RPM are you sure? For a 220 FI with stock tyres its around 83kmph. Is the bike running on stock tyres both front and back?

                You don't need to flush the engine. Just use either Motul 5100T (semi-synthetic) or 300V (Fully Synthetic) engine oil. 5100T is cheaper, but nothing like 300V for the 220.

                Don't worry about petrol, as long as it not not adulterated you should not have any problems whatsoever. Nitrogen is not really required, you can fill it only if you want to.
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                • @praful:

                  Only 83kmph@6K?? My Pulsar 180 UG4 does 82kmph@6K rpm. And reaches 100 figure at 7.3K rpm. It's really only torque distinguishing the two bikes, it seems. BTW, I too have 220FI and never realized this untill you posted it.

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                  • Originally posted by Praful View Post
                    You got more mileage on the highway because of less frequent gear changes and maintaining an almost constant average speed.



                    Nope I still ride the 220 FI as it suits my requirements better.

                    Don't worry about the bike breaking down, everything except the FI unit can be fixed by other mech's as well. And the FI unit is pretty reliable so far.



                    100 in 6K RPM are you sure? For a 220 FI with stock tyres its around 83kmph. Is the bike running on stock tyres both front and back?

                    Yes iam sure about 103 km/hrs. butt like this.... i ll start from beginning...i started smoothly as my friends were on less powerful bikes,as i gained speed i thought aaaah why not?? and i shifted 3rd to 4th redlined and from 4th to 5th again redlined,and as i shifted to fifth my tacho was in 8 to 9 rpm and i was gaining speed very fast so i let go my throttle slowly maintaning the speed of 100 and when it stopped gaining speed and when it maintained speed of 100 bike was running in 6k rpm.(it didnt decrease until i let go the throttle. may be its because of torque i dont know what happened)so thats why i said 100 in 6k sorry if i was unable to tell what i exactly meant.(that was my first post) and about tyres its stock till now,coz my bike have only run 9k in odo.

                    You don't need to flush the engine. Just use either Motul 5100T (semi-synthetic) or 300V (Fully Synthetic) engine oil. 5100T is cheaper, but nothing like 300V for the 220.
                    yeah i asked the name and the mech said its motul15w50 semi syn. and he asked me to buy 2 literes and i remembered reading it needs 1150ml

                    do i have to change air filter because till now nothing have been changed in bike than oil.and it has clocked 9***kms till date.i asked because after coming back from that trip today morning my clogged filter sign appeared and after 2-3 minutes it went to normal.(riding in kathmandu is very dusty ) and to be noted i cleaned air filter around 25 days ago.

                    Don't worry about petrol, as long as it not not adulterated you should not have any problems whatsoever. Nitrogen is not really required, you can fill it only if you want to.
                    thank you.brother.
                    Last edited by robean-gyalchen; 11-26-2010, 01:26 PM.
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                    • @Abhi: If you have stock tyres both back and front on the 220 FI. It has to do around 83 @ 6K. And around 98 @ 7K.

                      Originally posted by robean-gyalchen View Post
                      thank you.brother.
                      Airfilter needs to be replaced around 10K kms. But will have to do it sooner if you are in a dusty place.

                      Fuel Filter needs replacement every 5K kms.

                      Oil Filter needs cleaning every oil change.
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                      • Originally posted by Praful View Post
                        @Abhi: If you have stock tyres both back and front on the 220 FI. It has to do around 83 @ 6K. And around 98 @ 7K.
                        Oh! thanks. But, I was surprised by the fact that whats the difference between a 180 UG4 and 220 FI apart from more revvy and torquey engine. Because I dragged with my 220 FI and 180, both were almost the same all the way till 100kmph, after that did'nt test.

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                        • Originally posted by abhichotu.abhi View Post
                          Oh! thanks. But, I was surprised by the fact that whats the difference between a 180 UG4 and 220 FI apart from more revvy and torquey engine. Because I dragged with my 220 FI and 180, both were almost the same all the way till 100kmph, after that did'nt test.
                          After that all the difference will be known!

                          Btw, even the difference should not be same. You should be atleast 2-3 bike lengths ahead of the 180.

                          But yea there is also a difference between the speedo readouts between all pulsars. So don't use anyone specific as a bench marking standard.
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                          • The clutch case cover of my 220 is leaking oil alongwith the rubber thing that is on the rightside (on the cylinder head). Any clues?

                            Originally posted by Praful View Post
                            After that all the difference will be known!

                            Btw, even the difference should not be same. You should be atleast 2-3 bike lengths ahead of the 180.

                            But yea there is also a difference between the speedo readouts between all pulsars. So don't use anyone specific as a bench marking standard.
                            May be, after 100kmph. Will drag again and post the results.

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                            • good to see FI thread active

                              Hey guys... one peculiar problem am facing. When riding after, let's say, 3-4 hours of break, initially the bike doesn't respond the way it should to high throttle input. It feels very sluggish as something is stuck in the fueling system. The bike doesn't stall. After 1 mnt of riding, it becomes normal !!. Even during first ride of the day, this happens. I have got throttle body cleaned, Air Filter cleaned but this problem still persists. Any idea why, guys? Water inside tank??
                              Last edited by rx100.7050; 11-26-2010, 03:23 PM.
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                              • @Abhi: Get that rubber 'thing' replaced. Simple Post some pics of your clutch cover leaks.

                                And drag safe!

                                Originally posted by rx100.7050 View Post
                                good to see FI thread active

                                Hey guys... one peculiar problem am facing. When riding after, let's say, 3-4 hours of break, initially the bike doesn't respond the way it should to high throttle input. It feels very sluggish as something is stuck in the fueling system. The bike doesn't stall. After 1 mnt of riding, it becomes normal !!. Even during first ride of the day, this happens. I have got throttle body cleaned, Air Filter cleaned but this problem still persists. Any idea why, guys? Water inside tank??
                                Coil problem looks like. Does it happen only after taking a break or does it happen after riding continuously for 2 hours or so?
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