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I tried in my city (atleast 4-5 bunks) but in vain. Is there a way you can source?Originally posted by Divyanshp150 View PostRX100 1996 | Karizma 2004 | Karizma-R 2011 | RXZ 1999 | RX 135 1998 | RX 100 1993 | CBF150 2005 - 2011
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Re: Karizma/Karizma R
Karizmas typically develop loose contact in the connector on top of the Starter relay...if you follow the RED wire from the RR you will notice that it goes to a connector on top of the Starter Relay....you will also note a thicker RED wire by it's side (connects to Ignition switch). Over time this connector and the male pins underneath get corroded/dirty/deposits, which makes proper contact difficult..the way to solve is to take out the connector and spray WD40 or Zorrick into the connector underside, and also spray the same on the connectors on top of starter relay ...Originally posted by James View PostBuddy, with all due respects, this is the worst advice anyone could give. Never check wiring like this even if its your last resort.
Thank you Ravi for your assistance, I really appreciate it.
Thank you, PSR. The readings were in the ballpark. With the HL on, it would drop to around 13.4V at around 3k rpm. With the HL off, it would be around 13.7-13.8V. At idling with the lights off, it would be around 14-14.2v.
Checked the wiring to the best of my ability. Cleaned all contacts, made sure the RR is earthing properly. Now everything seems to be working well. lets see how long this lasts!
Insert Ignition key and switch it on ...do not start).
Open seat and the Fuse box underneath.
With a multimeter, check the voltage on the 3 horizontal fuses . It should be same voltage as the battery. If you find the fuse voltage to be less, then you have the connector loose contact....When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.
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Re: Karizma/Karizma R
Wow, on your knowledge on electrical troubleshootingOriginally posted by psr View PostKarizmas typically develop loose contact in the connector on top of the Starter relay...if you follow the RED wire from the RR you will notice that it goes to a connector on top of the Starter Relay....you will also note a thicker RED wire by it's side (connects to Ignition switch). Over time this connector and the male pins underneath get corroded/dirty/deposits, which makes proper contact difficult..the way to solve is to take out the connector and spray WD40 or Zorrick into the connector underside, and also spray the same on the connectors on top of starter relay ...
Insert Ignition key and switch it on ...do not start).
Open seat and the Fuse box underneath.
With a multimeter, check the voltage on the 3 horizontal fuses . It should be same voltage as the battery. If you find the fuse voltage to be less, then you have the connector loose contact....
.. guess it comes from getting your hands dirty.
Electrical issues in fact need more skill to diagnose than engine related issues. The biggest electrical mod i ve done so far is getting my rx100 from 6v to 12v and i left the job to my mechanic who did a wonderful job (considering that he has done these a million times)
Maybe i should get a multimeter out and start documenting all the voltages/currents at various points on bikes. Does the manual of the zma provide any baseline figures for these ?
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Just for the sake of asking i asked at an IOC bunk, and they looked at me like 'wtf is it' . Most bunks within city limits stock on only engine,gear oil and coolantsOriginally posted by SriramEfunds View PostI tried in my city (atleast 4-5 bunks) but in vain. Is there a way you can source?
Maybe you could try at oil dealers or places that cater to heavy vehicles like trucks/jcb's etc..
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Came back from a Leh+Spiti+Zanskar+Badrinath ride few days back covering 8200kms in 33 Days. Had to climb Badrinath with a completely broken Chassis, which was caused by bad roads and the tail rack which was not suitable for the terrain. The first temporary fix was done by BRO who were fixing up a bridge near Sankoo, Apparently the Electric Arc welding could not hold the damage made. But that didn't Hold up properly as I wasn't showing any mercy to the bike( Could have taken it lightly. After crossing Joshimath, were the bad stretches start, the rear tail section started shaking a lot. when I had a Closer look, got to see that the Arc welding had given way. gathered some strength and tied the broken Chassis with a Bungee and rode up and Came down close to Pipalkoti where there were BRO guys were working on a bridge(Again) So removed all the Plastic Parts and electricals around the area and was lucky to find Gas welding. Lesson learnt the hard way round
Anybody else planning to use the rack on Off Road, be a tad careful. This time it was done good, rode all the way till Bangalore. Need to get the Chassis Changed now, eventhough the weld is pretty strong, I would not like to take chances. Except for my carelessness on this, the ZMA took Everything in its Stride. Would like to thank the BRO guys again for their helpfulness without whom I could still be somewhere there in the mountains so far.
BTW, Had a Ceat Secura 2.75-18 and Vertigo Sport 120/80-18 combination, which worked like a charm throughout the Trip, except on wet Tramac
Few Pics of the Damage
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Re: Karizma/Karizma R
[MENTION=6829]James[/MENTION], what's the other bike in the background (prev page)?
[MENTION=20165]phanikar[/MENTION], take a bow master!Got a $5 head? Get a $5 helmet.
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Good that you have returned without incidents...Instead of changing the chassis, go to a proper metal.welding guy, cut the tubular frame across with a circular saw, then INSERT a solid rod inside and weld all to-gether...Apply metal primer and then paint to finish...this will guarantee that the rear section will no longer give way in future....Originally posted by phanikar View PostCame back from a Leh+Spiti+Zanskar+Badrinath ride few days back covering 8200kms in 33 Days. Had to climb Badrinath with a completely broken Chassis, which was caused by bad roads and the tail rack which was not suitable for the terrain. The first temporary fix was done by BRO who were fixing up a bridge near Sankoo, Apparently the Electric Arc welding could not hold the damage made. But that didn't Hold up properly as I wasn't showing any mercy to the bike( Could have taken it lightly. After crossing Joshimath, were the bad stretches start, the rear tail section started shaking a lot. when I had a Closer look, got to see that the Arc welding had given way. gathered some strength and tied the broken Chassis with a Bungee and rode up and Came down close to Pipalkoti where there were BRO guys were working on a bridge(Again) So removed all the Plastic Parts and electricals around the area and was lucky to find Gas welding. Lesson learnt the hard way round
Anybody else planning to use the rack on Off Road, be a tad careful. This time it was done good, rode all the way till Bangalore. Need to get the Chassis Changed now, eventhough the weld is pretty strong, I would not like to take chances. Except for my carelessness on this, the ZMA took Everything in its Stride. Would like to thank the BRO guys again for their helpfulness without whom I could still be somewhere there in the mountains so far.
BTW, Had a Ceat Secura 2.75-18 and Vertigo Sport 120/80-18 combination, which worked like a charm throughout the Trip, except on wet Tramac
Few Pics of the Damage
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You can also think of inserting the solid rod all the way( till it goes upto the Petrol Tank) , which will give better strength to the top frame.
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Electronics is actually easy to learn and understand...try analyzing a few circuits and tracing of wires , and you will get the hang of it. all you need is patience,and perseverance.Originally posted by s1d View PostWow, on your knowledge on electrical troubleshooting
.. guess it comes from getting your hands dirty.
Electrical issues in fact need more skill to diagnose than engine related issues. The biggest electrical mod i ve done so far is getting my rx100 from 6v to 12v and i left the job to my mechanic who did a wonderful job (considering that he has done these a million times)
Maybe i should get a multimeter out and start documenting all the voltages/currents at various points on bikes. Does the manual of the zma provide any baseline figures for these ?
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Just for the sake of asking i asked at an IOC bunk, and they looked at me like 'wtf is it' . Most bunks within city limits stock on only engine,gear oil and coolants
Maybe you could try at oil dealers or places that cater to heavy vehicles like trucks/jcb's etc..Last edited by psr; 10-13-2014, 08:53 PM.When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.
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DS, Cant view the pic on my phone. Cant recall which pic. its either my 900rr or a 08 RavenOriginally posted by Divya Sharan View Post[MENTION=6829]James[/MENTION], what's the other bike in the background (prev page)?85 RD350
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guys today i faced a wierd issue. when i started the bike in the morning the netural light was glowing, even after engaging the gears neutral light was glowing. myself did a electrical check up and found everything fine.
the light glows up in all gears and when shifted to neutral glows brightly. did a 100km trip with this issue. no problems in bike starting, accelerration. pls help me
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Well it sure is strange. All I can suspect here is the neutral strip that is present inside the gearbox to have gone kaput. Wiring cannot be ruled out, I'm sure it's not any thing major.
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Re: Karizma/Karizma R
The neutral shift light works by shorting the neutral indicator wire to body/ground...this is done through a metal plate attached to the gear shifter drum. If the wire ,and the isolator switch of the Neutral ,is in any way making connection to ground, then also this can happen...on the right side of bike (gear shifter side), if you open the small chain sprocket access cover, you will see on the lower LEFT side a small stub with a Wire,which is Green and Yellow stripe .....this is the neutral indicator wire...There is a Semi Circle shaped bracket on top of it, to protect it from getting hit by the chain...if the bracket does not have a Rubber bung to keep the Neutral switch in place then it is likely that the switch is making contact with the plate and showing Neutral always...otherwise the wire may be cut and making contact ....Originally posted by pravinan View Postguys today i faced a wierd issue. when i started the bike in the morning the netural light was glowing, even after engaging the gears neutral light was glowing. myself did a electrical check up and found everything fine.
the light glows up in all gears and when shifted to neutral glows brightly. did a 100km trip with this issue. no problems in bike starting, accelerration. pls help me
here is a picture to give better clarity....The picture is from a Honda CRF230 manual and so slight difference in outer cover may be seen...otherwise the Neutral switch location etc., are correct..
Last edited by psr; 10-14-2014, 10:22 AM.When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.
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thank you psr sir. i will check out the things myself as i have the tools as i don't beleive in mechanics any more. if i',m not able to fix it, then i may go to a mechanic
my bro works in marketing and he needs the bike and the bike is in usage for the next 2 days. is it safe to drive with this issue?
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Safe to ride in this condition so don't worry....Remember the bike has a safety feature that it will not crank in gear unless the clutch is pulled in...Now YOU DON"T HAVE this Safety feature .ie., your self starter will work even in gear without clutch disengaging...so if you self start in gear, YOU WILL BE THROWN FORWARD. Take care...Originally posted by pravinan View Postthank you psr sir. i will check out the things myself as i have the tools as i don't beleive in mechanics any more. if i',m not able to fix it, then i may go to a mechanic
my bro works in marketing and he needs the bike and the bike is in usage for the next 2 days. is it safe to drive with this issue?
Don't pull out the Neutral switch ,since entire engine oil will come out through it,... it is in lowermost of inner crankcase ...remember it senses gear position and gears are in the inner crankcase dipped in oil...When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.
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2 Minute DIY
Tried fixing the neutral as the bike came home. took only 3 mins to fix the issue. located the nuts on the basis of pics from PSR sir post. opened the cover and found a green wire touching the body . understood it's getting earthed. just adjusted it's postion and stuck a tape to it. voila issue is gone. tried installing osram night breaker 55/60w and found no problems above 4k rpm. but at lower rpms found the light getting dimmed and also horn gets weak and indicators do not glow well. guess my battery is about to die. changed to 35/35 and found no problems. will try with a 9ah battery tommorow.
THank you PSR sir for the explanation with the picture
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It was simple once you understood isn't it ?....Good you took the chance to fix the problem yourself....The CRF manual is available for free download..thanks to Ashwin Prakash..download and go through it if you face any problem..Seniors like Ravi Anna, AK3D ,ACS,Divya Sharan,... to name a few,are here to guide you....Originally posted by pravinan View PostTried fixing the neutral as the bike came home. took only 3 mins to fix the issue. located the nuts on the basis of pics from PSR sir post. opened the cover and found a green wire touching the body . understood it's getting earthed. just adjusted it's postion and stuck a tape to it. voila issue is gone. tried installing osram night breaker 55/60w and found no problems above 4k rpm. but at lower rpms found the light getting dimmed and also horn gets weak and indicators do not glow well. guess my battery is about to die. changed to 35/35 and found no problems. will try with a 9ah battery tommorow.
THank you PSR sir for the explanation with the pictureLast edited by psr; 10-14-2014, 09:04 PM.When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.
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Hi All,its been an year and 14k km of my steed. From the first day of purchase it is difficult to get the bike in neutral specially in hard braking and at once type stuation. Reported this problem in each service, apart from clutch setting and greasing of gear lever svc mechanic are not able to rectify this..
I am also hearing a different sound from clutch side when pressing clutch lever at idle engine.
Today I reported this problem to local mechanic who is from hero itself, he said that this is due to faulty presuure plates or clutch plates. I am wondering is it possible?
Though there is no slippage of clutch and no problem in acceleration and ride but finding neutral is a very difficult task.Also gear downshift is very very hard, upshift is OK.
pl suggest, should I change clutch and presuure plates?
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