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**shrikar reddy** · 11-15-2014, 07:37 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by s1d View Post

For your first question, the answer is mentioned by psr sir -- "There is no need to replace the Starter Motor since Brush replacement will suffice... The battery showed 12.8 Volts and it is a new one too.....after starting the voltage went upto 14.3 Volts, so charging circuit is also good..."
If you are still unsure, take it the battery dealer and have it checked.

For the second question, I do not know if the asc sells carbon brushes (they might just ask you to replace the motor).. but you can pick them up from most regular spares shops. They should be pretty cheap too (around 100rs). Otherwise if you know an auto electrician especially car guys, they could point you in the right direction.
And I think Chennai has better availability of spares for most bikes at local spares shops. And ofcourse if your neighborhood spares guy doesn't have it, you could always head to pudupet and you would definitely find it there.

Recently iv been experiencing a similar prob with my zma. Every morning i push de self switch i hear a 'tuk' sound but the engine doesnt crank.
It happens only after a few tries. It also happens few times when i stop the engine at signal and try to strt back.
I wish to do a DIY. Please suggest

**Balgi** · 11-15-2014, 08:30 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by shrikar reddy View Post

Recently iv been experiencing a similar prob with my zma. Every morning i push de self switch i hear a 'tuk' sound but the engine doesnt crank.
It happens only after a few tries. It also happens few times when i stop the engine at signal and try to strt back.
I wish to do a DIY. Please suggest

Battery gone kaput. Or starter motor needs repairs.

**SriramEfunds** · 11-15-2014, 08:55 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

shrikar reddy, This sounds similar to my issue. I had changed the starter motor carbon brush and everything is alright.
My sincere Thanks PSR Sir, without it wouldn't have possible. With few blunders from my end on relay switch mount point thread damaged, still overcame those challenges.

**psr** · 11-15-2014, 11:23 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

@ Sriram.....It was a good learning experience for both of us...on DIY and esp., the cutting of the Starter's connection nut...still we could do it right and get things sorted..

**BPD** · 11-16-2014, 02:16 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

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Two thumps up for this perfect answer.:thumbup::thumbup:

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**s1d** · 11-16-2014, 04:30 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by shrikar reddy View Post

Recently iv been experiencing a similar prob with my zma. Every morning i push de self switch i hear a 'tuk' sound but the engine doesnt crank.
It happens only after a few tries. It also happens few times when i stop the engine at signal and try to strt back.
I wish to do a DIY. Please suggest

First get the battery checked, before you start doing anything on the other parts.
This should be the order in which you should check:
1. battery - if you do not know how to (how to has been mentioned in prev post), then simply take it to a battery guy.
2. relay - again, if you thumb the starter and can hear a click then the relay is probably working fine.
3. if the clicking is not there, then it could be either the relay or the starter switch itself. In this case you can short the terminals of the relay (be careful, a spark or two might occur). If the relay clicks when you short the terminals then the started switch is bad.. if it doesnt click then the relay is bad.
4. last thing to touch would be the actual starter motor itself..and in most cases its the carbon brushes that might need replacement.. as detailed by sriram

btw,sriram did you replace just the brushes or the entire assy ?

**SriramEfunds** · 11-16-2014, 04:44 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

[MENTION=16602]s1d[/MENTION] , we wanted to just replace brushes, but the whole assembly costs only 180/- so we got it. Later found that the assembly diameter was smaller so removed those brushes and put it on the old plate. Saved a great deal and I'm sure Hero might have forced me to buy entire starter motor rather.

**s1d** · 11-16-2014, 05:01 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

@s1d , we wanted to just replace brushes, but the whole assembly costs only 180/- so we got it. Later found that the assembly diameter was smaller so removed those brushes and put it on the old plate. Saved a great deal and I'm sure Hero might have forced me to buy entire starter motor rather.

yes, in most cases the motor can be rebuilt. but companies just want to replace the entire unit..can't blame them cos they need to make money (and quickly, and wont do these juggad repairs because it is deemed unreliable compared to a new unit)and the more money one makes the more successful they are deemed!

This in turn results in an entire aftermarket industry & technicians who help save us some money.
btw, was it a 'swiss' brand assembly ?

**SriramEfunds** · 11-16-2014, 05:31 AM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by s1d View Post

yes, in most cases the motor can be rebuilt. but companies just want to replace the entire unit..can't blame them cos they need to make money (and quickly, and wont do these juggad repairs because it is deemed unreliable compared to a new unit)and the more money one makes the more successful they are deemed![emoji3] This in turn results in an entire aftermarket industry & technicians who help save us some money.
btw, was it a 'swiss' brand assembly ?

I font recollect any brand labeled on that. Just a small brown box and handwritten karishma in Tamil...lol

**ankit.traveller** · 11-17-2014, 12:33 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

For installing H4 60/55w bulb in ZMA, is it necessary to put HL relay kit or it is plug and play?

I removed my projector setup because it was creating issues.

Have read earlier posts for H4 bulbs, most people reported reflector meltdown and battery charging issues with 60/55w bulb.

Pl guide the correct way of installing and gaining maximum from H4 60/55w bulb.

**SriramEfunds** · 11-17-2014, 12:48 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

I have been running my bike with 60/55w bulb for last 3 years plus as stock bulb wasn't satisfactory.
Over years of usage, there will be slight melt like signs on the reflector but it had always saved me from bad roads, avoiding surprise speed breaker(non marked), due to better throw and luminous.
Its a plug and play and relay is not compulsory.

You have Philips extreme vision and Osram night breaker plus offering 55/60w and they coming in as a pair as it is meant for cars but Philips extreme vision comes in single pack too.
I personally recommend osram as I was extremely satisfied with the throw both low and high beam. Orsram and Philips costs around Rs. 900-1000 and best place to try is cars spares shop in your city.

**acs1207** · 11-17-2014, 02:34 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by ankit.traveller View Post

For installing H4 60/55w bulb in ZMA, is it necessary to put HL relay kit or it is plug and play?

I removed my projector setup because it was creating issues.

Have read earlier posts for H4 bulbs, most people reported reflector meltdown and battery charging issues with 60/55w bulb.

Pl guide the correct way of installing and gaining maximum from H4 60/55w bulb.

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

I have been running my bike with 60/55w bulb for last 3 years plus as stock bulb wasn't satisfactory.
Over years of usage, there will be slight melt like signs on the reflector but it had always saved me from bad roads, avoiding surprise speed breaker(non marked), due to better throw and luminous.
Its a plug and play and relay is not compulsory.

You have Philips extreme vision and Osram night breaker plus offering 55/60w and they coming in as a pair as it is meant for cars but Philips extreme vision comes in single pack too.
I personally recommend osram as I was extremely satisfied with the throw both low and high beam. Orsram and Philips costs around Rs. 900-1000 and best place to try is cars spares shop in your city.

Just plug and play as SriramEfunds said or you can route it through a relay. I hope your battery isnt weak ... if it is then time/tripmeter resetting might happen. I have been using 60/55w bulb with relay close to 2 years . Very slight blurring is seen on reflector near the bulb. I stopped looking for signs of melting since I get adequate light and wont go back to stock even if it is melting. After all a reflector can be replaced.

Precautions to be taken...
Change pilot light bulbs to led.
Change either front or back indicator bulbs to led and the other set to 10w ( oe will be 20 w) .
Tail light... if available use led... (I couldnt get led) ..or change to 5/10w from 5/21w.

**undergroundrider** · 11-17-2014, 02:54 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by imjoshee View Post

I would suggest you connect with Mr. Kevin at Mahim Fort point service centre. He is the right doctor for our patient. You can give him my reference (Vishal - Silver ZMA owner) & he will get all the bike issues resolved.

BTW, forgot to mention, Shell AX7 & Shell Ultra are easily available at Opera House. I recently got myself a carton of Ultra for my & my dad`s bike. Do let me know if you need any pointers.

Since you are based out of Mumbai, let`s catchup some day

, if you are not riding underground

Imjoshee

lol, lets catch up then

will shoot up details via pm

**ankit.traveller** · 11-17-2014, 05:01 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

Originally posted by SriramEfunds View Post

I have been running my bike with 60/55w bulb for last 3 years plus as stock bulb wasn't satisfactory.
Over years of usage, there will be slight melt like signs on the reflector but it had always saved me from bad roads, avoiding surprise speed breaker(non marked), due to better throw and luminous.
Its a plug and play and relay is not compulsory.

You have Philips extreme vision and Osram night breaker plus offering 55/60w and they coming in as a pair as it is meant for cars but Philips extreme vision comes in single pack too.
I personally recommend osram as I was extremely satisfied with the throw both low and high beam. Orsram and Philips costs around Rs. 900-1000 and best place to try is cars spares shop in your city.

Thanks for detailed answer.Right now I have 2 head light units with me because in original one I installed projector with opening of fibre glass of HL unit but projector setup giving me problems so I switched back to original setup with new HL unit.

Today I searched for Philips extreme vision and Osram NB but both are not available in local car market here. I have spare Halonix H4 60/55w bulbs of my I10. Will plonk it.

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Originally posted by acs1207 View Post

Just plug and play as SriramEfunds said or you can route it through a relay. I hope your battery isnt weak ... if it is then time/tripmeter resetting might happen. I have been using 60/55w bulb with relay close to 2 years . Very slight blurring is seen on reflector near the bulb. I stopped looking for signs of melting since I get adequate light and wont go back to stock even if it is melting. After all a reflector can be replaced.

Precautions to be taken...
Change pilot light bulbs to led.
Change either front or back indicator bulbs to led and the other set to 10w ( oe will be 20 w) .
Tail light... if available use led... (I couldnt get led) ..or change to 5/10w from 5/21w.

Thanks for reply. My battery is good, an year old.Will go for H4 directly without relay.

Yes, switching to LED for other components will definitely save some wattage and load on battery if all HL, INDICATOR, BRAKE, TAIL LAMP, PARKING, HORN activated at the same time.

But one question come in mind, if there is no problem in 60/55w bulb in ZMA then why company do not provide as stock? Is it due to cost factor because co have to provide better reflectors and wiring harness which will increase cost?

**rav** · 11-18-2014, 04:06 PM

Re: Karizma/Karizma R

What do the service engineers do at HH service when we give the bike for service? My ZMA feels smooth and refined for a few days after the service. The gears are smooth etc. But recently I've changed my engine oil to shell which I got replaced at shell bunk. So I don't see any reason why I should go to HH svc. My bike is more than 5 years old now. Is there any way I can do the remaining stuff at home so I can attain the "smooth" feel

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