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I found some from Castrol Repo:
Castrol - PDS & MSDS Search

But, as someone on Engine-Oils thread pointed out, makers these days keep MSDS as minimal as possible.

Some VOA of couple of Castrol Magnatec from BobIsTheOilGuy:
Castrol Magnatec Professional E 5W-20 (Ford 948-B) | Virgin Oil Analysis - PCMO/HDEO | Bob Is The Oil Guy
Castrol Magnatec 5W-30 (UAE vs. German) | Virgin Oil Analysis - PCMO/HDEO | Bob Is The Oil Guy

Interesting to see Silicon in them.

Motul 300v is considered as an overkill of Indian [road] bikes.
Shouldn't it be easy to get Shell AX-7 at Shell bunkers?

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Yeah you get nulon additive for engine oils in the market which is a silicon additive. Its nothing new bro.
And motul 300v is an overkill for any bike without liquid cooling and sometimes with liquid cooling. At best one should try the 7100 variant.
Shell Ax7 semi synthetic is available in oil shops though its not stocked much as demand is less most Indian bikes use Ax5.

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Afaik there are no shell bunkers in mumbai
[MENTION=16602]s1d[/MENTION] and [MENTION=32286]psr[/MENTION] sir have suggested ax-5 and motul 3100

ax5 wouldnt be better than ax7 right ??

if i dont get ax7 ill switch to either ax5 or motul 3100

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Yes AX5 can be used too. For the record, have you tried Gulf Pride 20w40? Also, Veedol Super Swift 10w40?

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Oops, I didn't know. I just found out Shell is well established in Karnataka. Shell Station Locator - India

Then, along with oils Divya points out, you can take a look at Motul 5100 10w30 MA2, however it'll cost you little over 500/- for 1 ltr.

PS: Gulf Pride 4T Plusis also available in 10w30 multi-grade : JASO-MA2 M091GOC499.

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no havent tried either, I've only been using ax-7 right from the beginning

and for enlightment purposes whats the difference between ax5 & ax7 ??, motul 3100 & motul 5100??
@psr sir @s1d @SparKot @DivyaSharan @Balgi @ashwinprakas

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Update 3:-

Trouble shooting self start on 2004 Karizma.

I have decided to check step by step to trouble shoot as to why the self start not working
1. Starter motor
2. Relay switch
3. Battery
4. Self start button

These are the basic that I could think of to start inspecting.

Today took shelter in one of the empty covered car downstairs. As I mentioned earlier after some running, the self start works but just once. So I bought starter motor relay which costed Rs.250 from showroom. After opening the side covers realized that the relay switch has Allen bolts, had to climb stairs to get the Allen keys. I checked the relay it had 15A fuse and the new one had 20A. Changed the relay, it cranked and though idling is bad engine shut after couple of secs. Then same sorry state. Never worked. So that tells me that self start button works good too.
Now that leaves me to check battery and the starter motor to look at. Since starter motor costs around 5 k, want to dismiss the battery issue by swapping with other Karizma before looking for options.

Another crazy thought struck me....what if the battery is not getting charged enough and supply current to make the motor run?
FYI...neutral lamp glows, indicators blink, headlight 35w switches on but rear brake lights won't work. Horn works but sounds feeble.

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Check voltages, with the bike off, the battery voltage should be 13.2-13.5V . Refer to this earlier post by Rav http://www.xbhp.com/talkies/motorcyc...ml#post1036701 . If that is the case, the battery is being charged properly.
You might also want to take a look at the fuses/corrosion. Spray WD40 in the starter connections (where the 20A fuse is) and the top of the connector as well. Also spray WD40 in the fuse box after removing the fuses.
You might only need to replace the brushes in the starter motor, btw. Not the entire unit. These brushes can get worn out over time.

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Mineral : AX5, Motul 3100 & Motul 3000
Semi Synth : AX7, Motul 5100

Rest you can research on the Internet.

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To add to Mineral Gulf Pride 4T plus 20w40 is pretty decent

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Thanks for the Update Info....just saw that the Pro series only contains Zinc, while the Diesel oils contain Calcium Alkryl ....

I had shorted the 2 connections on top of the Starter Relay to show if self motor starts...it didn't, which is why I informed you that it is the brushes in the self starter which needs replacement....the 2 connections I manually shorted were the Battery and the Self starter connections...the ones you removed with the Allen Key....
There is no need to replace the Starter Motor since Brush replacement will suffice... The battery showed 12.8 Volts and it is a new one too.....after starting the voltage went upto 14.3 Volts, so charging circuit is also good...
Guess I was not able to explain these properly to you when you came.....

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[MENTION=52772]AK3D[/MENTION] :- Thanks to the post link of Ravi's.


Not at all Sir. You did explain and checked with multi meter and we ascertained the issue with the starter motor. The problem was it is just my greed to check the relay switch as couple of times the button start worked. Nothing to devoid the precheck that was carried out earlier by you. Please don't mistake me Sir. Even though I'm a novice when it comes to electricals, but learned a bit.

I had another doubt that this bike was not used for few months after the battery was changed per previous owner. So how do we check if the battery is getting charged from running?

I would like to know if that bush is the only part need to be replaced or will that require to replace the entire set. Also, if this bush is available at the showroom or we need to look for compatibility from electrical shops.

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For your first question, the answer is mentioned by psr sir -- "There is no need to replace the Starter Motor since Brush replacement will suffice... The battery showed 12.8 Volts and it is a new one too.....after starting the voltage went upto 14.3 Volts, so charging circuit is also good..."
If you are still unsure, take it the battery dealer and have it checked.

For the second question, I do not know if the asc sells carbon brushes (they might just ask you to replace the motor).. but you can pick them up from most regular spares shops. They should be pretty cheap too (around 100rs). Otherwise if you know an auto electrician especially car guys, they could point you in the right direction.
And I think Chennai has better availability of spares for most bikes at local spares shops. And ofcourse if your neighborhood spares guy doesn't have it, you could always head to pudupet and you would definitely find it there.

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Changed it to motul 5100

could anyone suggest a good mechanic for the zma in mumbai.. ??

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I would suggest you connect with Mr. Kevin at Mahim Fort point service centre. He is the right doctor for our patient. You can give him my reference (Vishal - Silver ZMA owner) & he will get all the bike issues resolved.

BTW, forgot to mention, Shell AX7 & Shell Ultra are easily available at Opera House. I recently got myself a carton of Ultra for my & my dad`s bike. Do let me know if you need any pointers.

Since you are based out of Mumbai, let`s catchup some day , if you are not riding underground

Imjoshee