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  • Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post
    Guys have a look at this,Got it from CBZ Thread.

    How to disconnect TPFC
    Originally posted by asif View Post
    ^^^
    I guess on the ZMA the TPFC is a switch rather than a cable that needs/may to be disconnected. You may disconnect the switch as done above with the cable.
    Originally posted by Vishakh View Post
    bro can you tell the advantages as well as disadvantages of doing it on karizma?
    Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post
    Heard that this will increase mileage,Ashwin also told me the same before few months,I am not sure about this,need reply from psr sir. Wait for his reply.

    Finally got GD Report from the officials,Will took my bike to SVC tomorrow.
    I had taken the pain to write about a loose contact problem in my ZMA TPS ,and how I found,what effect it had....Please go back a few pages and see.
    Disconnect the TPS in ZMA and find out for yourself.> There are three wires from ZMA TPS and connects through a connector under Petrol tank
    Last edited by psr; 09-12-2011, 06:03 PM.
    When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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    • Originally posted by psr View Post
      I had taken the pain to write about a loose contact problem in my ZMA TPS ,and how I found,what effect it had....Please go back a few pages and see.
      Disconnect the TPS in ZMA and find out for yourself.
      Hehe,Now i remember the effects.

      Went to svc to enquire about parts,everything is out of stock,So will be ordering parts,and today found that 2011 Karizma-R electricals sockets are different from the older Karizma-R model,So I cannot use 2011 Karizma-R's Ignition key in my Karizma,I have to buy the older Karizma-R's ignition key.

      Karizma-R's Parts Cataloug 174rs.

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      • Originally posted by psr View Post
        I had taken the pain to write about a loose contact problem in my ZMA TPS ,and how I found,what effect it had....Please go back a few pages and see.
        Disconnect the TPS in ZMA and find out for yourself.> There are three wires from ZMA TPS and connects through a connector under Petrol tank
        sir saw your posts related to loose contact of TPS . But is there any advantages disconnecting the TPS even if there is no problem with it? Aneesh posted about the increase in mileage, anything other than that? Also want to know the disadvantages as well . From the posts here i think disconnecting it is a bit complex and technical job for me so dont want to take a risk on fiddling with the TPS
        Last edited by Vishakh; 09-12-2011, 06:18 PM.
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        • Originally posted by psr View Post
          I had taken the pain to write about a loose contact problem in my ZMA TPS ,and how I found,what effect it had....Please go back a few pages and see.
          Disconnect the TPS in ZMA and find out for yourself.> There are three wires from ZMA TPS and connects through a connector under Petrol tank
          Was unable to find your post @PSR.
          Haven't till date tried doing this, but will shortly try it cause i see no harm being done.
          Also read someone on the forum had upgraded the carb on the ZMA and in that case he would have had to take care of the TPS also. In that case how were the connectors matched and the TPS still retained.

          Suggestions to the moderators: There should be a bookmark tool added where in important post by other members can be searched or if there is anything like this please throw some light on the matter.
          Last edited by asif; 09-12-2011, 06:33 PM. Reason: For the MODS.
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          • The TPS in Karizma is continuously variable , unlike in other bikes like Pulsar..This means the ignition timing is linear and not in steps,and removing will make the bike run very poor...Try it and find out for yourself..
            When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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            • I think guys here are confusing TPFC with TPS.
              AFAIK.

              TPFC's an additional cable going from the throttle to the carb, its job is to activate the choke according to throttle position. Its present is CBZ classic, to disable you'll have to remove the plastic carb cover on the side and then remove the TPFC cable from the holder/tensioner.

              TPS's present on ZMA's that varies the spark intensity based on the throttle position, I havent yet tried to disable it, so am not sure how to.

              After effects, after disabling.

              TPFC - Mileage increase of upto 50%(sounds crazy but thats how much the original poster of this mod claimed. but from an old friends practical experience theres a 25% gain in mileage.) Not much difference in acceleration and surprisingly the bike'll be abit vibe free at higher rpm's. Almost every CBZ owner I know's had his disabled either due to mileage issues or due to the rpm issue.

              TPS - Not much info on the above, cause I've not tried it. But theoretically disabling this'll give comparatively less mileage and you'll loose the ROCKET part of ZMA that comes after 4.5~5k. Psr sir, correct me if im wrong.
              Motorcycling Experience:
              2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
              2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
              2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
              2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
              2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
              2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

              The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
              Adios Comrades!
              A.P. 2018

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              • Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post
                Not 2011 model though,i have it below the Fluid Tank,Have a look at the picture taken from the bottom.

                @ Ashwin

                Why is it fake?
                Yeah. I too have Nissin written at the bottom. But Vaishaks and Jerin bro's bikes have it written at the front of the cylinder and by front I mean, if you stand in front of the bike you'll be able to see it.

                BTW I've also got an 'N' with a circle around it on top of the cylinder, wher the instructions are written.

                @Sriram - Sir, please post a pic of your's.
                Motorcycling Experience:
                2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                Adios Comrades!
                A.P. 2018

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                • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                  I think guys here are confusing TPFC with TPS.
                  AFAIK.
                  Absolutely Correct

                  TPFC's an additional cable going from the throttle to the carb, its job is to activate the choke according to throttle position. Its present is CBZ classic, to disable you'll have to remove the plastic carb cover on the side and then remove the TPFC cable from the holder/tensioner.
                  It acts more like the cold choke,or accelerator pump,so disconnecting it will save Petrol.

                  TPS's present on ZMA's that varies the spark intensity based on the throttle position, I havent yet tried to disable it, so am not sure how to.
                  The ZMA TPS does not vary spark intensity, but where it occurs during Crank rotation and hence Piston's relative position Before Top Dead Center..ie., Ignition Timing

                  TPS - Not much info on the above, cause I've not tried it. But theoretically disabling this'll give comparatively less mileage and you'll loose the ROCKET part of ZMA that comes after 4.5~5k. Psr sir, correct me if im wrong.
                  Yes you are correct...ZMA will loose mid to high pull if TPS is disconnected...
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                  When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                  • Originally posted by psr View Post
                    replies in bold
                    Wow!!! Can'nt believe im right.... Sir, guess am not a bad student after all .

                    And sir, My bike's recently been producing the chil-chil sound when hot, I believe its not the tensioner since I've had it replaced @ 2k.(Now completed 4k)
                    The SVC guys after their 2sec examination said it was valve noise and said they'll clear it at next service. I dont know why, but I believe they said so to shoo me off... .

                    So sir, is valve noise harmfull??? And can you give me a differential diagnosis if any????
                    Motorcycling Experience:
                    2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                    2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                    2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                    2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                    2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                    2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                    The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                    Adios Comrades!
                    A.P. 2018

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                    • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                      Wow!!! Can'nt believe im right.... Sir, guess am not a bad student after all .

                      And sir, My bike's recently been producing the chil-chil sound when hot, I believe its not the tensioner since I've had it replaced @ 2k.(Now completed 4k)
                      The SVC guys after their 2sec examination said it was valve noise and said they'll clear it at next service. I dont know why, but I believe they said so to shoo me off... .

                      So sir, is valve noise harmfull??? And can you give me a differential diagnosis if any????
                      It is the tappet noise..It occurs on engine which are young and when the engine is ripped for long periods of time.
                      When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                      • Originally posted by psr View Post
                        It is the tappet noise..It occurs on engine which are young and when the engine is ripped for long periods of time.
                        Oh..."Engines which are young" meaning that it'll go away eventually. Right

                        Guess that's why Aneesh's bro said that it'll go away after a while.
                        Motorcycling Experience:
                        2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                        2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                        2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                        2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                        2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                        2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                        The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                        Adios Comrades!
                        A.P. 2018

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                        • Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post
                          Oh..."Engines which are young" meaning that it'll go away eventually. Right

                          Guess that's why Aneesh's bro said that it'll go away after a while.
                          Yes by young I meant New engines..but the noise cannot go away permanently...even in older bikes ,an occasional hard ripping can bring the noise back...so be gentle with your acceleration and timely change of engine oil...
                          When Was The Last Time,You Did Something For The First Time.

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                          • Originally posted by psr View Post
                            Yes by young I meant New engines..but the noise cannot go away permanently...even in older bikes ,an occasional hard ripping can bring the noise back...so be gentle with your acceleration and timely change of engine oil...
                            Guess I'll ignore it then.. And just to quench my curiosity.
                            Sir, can you tell me what causes valve noise?? And what are its after effects too...
                            Motorcycling Experience:
                            2000 ~ 2017 Y2K Kinetic Zoom (Disposed at 15k)
                            2011 ~ 2015 Hero Honda Karizma R (Sold at 56.5k)
                            2013 ~ 2014 Bajaj Discover 100 4G (Sold at 16.5k)
                            2015 ~ 2017 TVS Wego (Totaled at 18k)
                            2015 - Bajaj Pulsar 220F (Currently 31k) < Garage Queen!
                            2017 - Bajaj CT100B (Currently 21k) < 'Golden Quadrilateral' Runner!

                            The Ride was Good, but Life is short, spend it Wisely!
                            Adios Comrades!
                            A.P. 2018

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                            • Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post
                              Not 2011 model though,i have it below the Fluid Tank,Have a look at the picture taken from the bottom.



                              @ Ashwin

                              Why is it fake?
                              I do have NISSIN embossed on the side wall near front brake lever of my 2011 zma same as in a pic posted by Aneesh!!
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                              • Originally posted by psr View Post
                                It is the tappet noise..It occurs on engine which are young and when the engine is ripped for long periods of time.
                                but my bike is younger than ashwin's but no such problem and when i compared the engine sound to a 1.5k km old zma of my friend's my engine was making a deeper growl where as his was a bit pitchy guess its because of oil (20w 40 thanks to PSR sir and other experts here )

                                And i met ashwin yesterday and i think the bike was making noise like that not because of ripping, i strongly feels like its wrong valve setting not sure though
                                Cheetahs are faster but the lion is still the KING

                                Being In Love with a Girl is like being a superbike fitted with SPEED LIMITER

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