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**ashwinprakas** · 09-05-2011, 01:43 AM

Originally posted by acs1207 View Post

I think this has been discussed earlier . The quantity of 2T oil is too small ( 0.2% ) to inflict any significant damage when used in moderation . Consider your having to top up engine oil once in a while . Where has the oil gone ? Into the cylinder (except if it's an external leak) and gets burned up . You might have seen umpteen number of vehicles ( 2 & 4 wheelers) spewing smoke . Most of them have engine oil burning . If ever you have - or you think you have - put in excess 2T oil , fill in a couple of liters of petrol and the oil mixed petrol gets diluted that much . If still in doubt , fill in 2 more liters petrol !!

I get it but what about the already consumed petrol(75kms) wouldnt that cause damage already???

**Brat** · 09-05-2011, 01:55 AM

Originally posted by acs1207 View Post

I think this has been discussed earlier . The quantity of 2T oil is too small ( 0.2% ) to inflict any significant damage when used in moderation . Consider your having to top up engine oil once in a while . Where has the oil gone ? Into the cylinder (except if it's an external leak) and gets burned up . You might have seen umpteen number of vehicles ( 2 & 4 wheelers) spewing smoke . Most of them have engine oil burning . If ever you have - or you think you have - put in excess 2T oil , fill in a couple of liters of petrol and the oil mixed petrol gets diluted that much . If still in doubt , fill in 2 more liters petrol !!

Thats makes sense and thx for clarifying Acs1207. My humble opinion is that engine oil is engineered to not-burn but rather resist, lose viscosity at high temp and "lubricate only" as much as possible, while 2T is by design, to lubricate as well as provide complete combustion due to the nature of the ICE it is designed for. It

Maybe is likely that engine oil does tend to vaporize as well during extended exposure to relatively high temperature but it does not warrant carbon deposits as much as 2T does and possibly cause issues over a period of time. Right?

I too have a dead spot in acceleration around the 3k to 4k mark and going to try this. Will start with 1ml per litre and gradually scale up depending upon engine response. Thx for the tip!

**Brat** · 09-05-2011, 02:01 AM

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

I get it but what about the already consumed petrol(75kms) wouldnt that cause damage already???

Ashwin, There's honestly no damage that is being caused here with 75kms, worst thing that could happen is the gunk from unburnt oil being deposited in areas such as your manifolds, rings, top portion of the head, sensors, etc. But this happens over thousands of kms and not even hundreds. As ACS had mentioned, just fill her up with a few more liters of fuel and it will be sorted out. Cheers!

**ashwinprakas** · 09-05-2011, 02:04 AM

Originally posted by Brat View Post

Ashwin, There's honestly no damage that is being caused here with 75kms, worst thing that could happen is the gunk from unburnt oil being deposited in areas such as your manifolds, rings, top portion of the head, sensors, etc. But this happens over thousands of kms and not even hundreds. As ACS had mentioned, just fill her up with a few more liters of fuel and it will be sorted out. Cheers!

Okies thanks alot.... Now I may sleep peacefully, i.e after watching Ajiths new movie.

**acs1207** · 09-05-2011, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

I get it but what about the already consumed petrol(75kms) wouldn't that cause damage already???

Whatever 'damage' that's been caused won't affect your bike much I think .. See Brat's reply.

Originally posted by Brat View Post

Thats makes sense and thx for clarifying Acs1207. My humble opinion is that engine oil is engineered to not-burn but rather resist, lose viscosity at high temp and "lubricate only" as much as possible, while 2T is by design, to lubricate as well as provide complete combustion due to the nature of the ICE it is designed for. It
AFAIK that'd be correct . But 2T oil in 2 stroke engines doesn't burn cleanly , hence the smoke . But there the ratio is @ 20 - 40 ml per liter . (I'd once leaned the ratio so much that there was no visible smoke from idling to WOT .) Here we are talking about 2 ml per liter .
Maybe is likely that engine oil does tend to vaporize as well during extended exposure to relatively high temperature but it does not warrant carbon deposits as much as 2T does and possibly cause issues over a period of time. Right?
"extended exposure to relatively high temperature" is correct . The question is what is the temperature and for how long . Even if you don't use the vehicle , you have to change the engine oil in a year or two -means engine oil degrades even without vaporization . If we regularly use it , we have to change it much earlier . Even in a leak proof engine the engine oil lessens somewhat . I'm assuming that it is because of vaporization and subsequent combustion . From what I've read on the net , the lighter molecules vaporizes and that causes the oil to become thicker due to the quoted reason . Mind you , it happens only over a period of time . To the best of my knowledge , the quantity we're talking here won't cause any concern .
I too have a dead spot in acceleration around the 3k to 4k mark and going to try this. Will start with 1ml per litre and gradually scale up depending upon engine response. Thx for the tip!

Please post results .

Originally posted by Brat View Post

Ashwin, There's honestly no damage that is being caused here with 75kms, worst thing that could happen is the gunk from unburnt oil being deposited in areas such as your manifolds, rings, top portion of the head, sensors, etc. But this happens over thousands of kms and not even hundreds. As ACS had mentioned, just fill her up with a few more liters of fuel and it will be sorted out. Cheers!

Hopefully that'll be the only result .

Originally posted by ashwinprakas View Post

Okies thanks alot.... Now I may sleep peacefully, i.e after watching Ajiths new movie.

Gonna watch a movie on Monday at 1 A.M. ?

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**psr** · 09-05-2011, 12:15 PM

@ ACS 1207 : and @BRAT :Thanks for the detailed and correct explanation.....The dilution is 2 ml 2 T per 1,000 ml of petrol ,for one time and 1ml for repeat useage. I had repeatedly posted that I am using this for every fill in my CAR and BIKE, without adverse effect...
@Ashwinprakas I had replied to your earlier query that for one time use it is 2ml per liter and everytime repeat it is 1ml per liter..
....I had also posted that ONLY CASTROL 2 T is to be used for it contains PIB which results in binding the Petrol spray droplets and gives better combustion without chance of Pre-Ignition..
2 T is meant to exist in burning chamber ,which is why there is a specification of ASH content for the oil....it burns and comes out as smoke if added in larger ratio like in 2 Stroke bikes...The engine Ignition chamber temperature is in excess of 500 C..
The engine oil is on the other hand is supposed to exist at a cooler area and not supposed to be in the chamber because Engine oil is rated for temperatures below 500 c...still in actual use even with the best condition engine the engine oil is consumed as it leaks through the rings and we find the oil getting to be black and level also going down...
As an example suppose 100 ml engine oil is required for top up for 1,000 Kms the petrol consumed at 30 kms per liter is approximately 33.3 liters.....which is 3 ml of engine oil per liter of petrol .

Once again I do not Advocate that anyone should use it because I had used it....all experiments are with risk only...The user should decide after weighing the pros and cons, and I am in no way responsible for the outcome.
I was sharing my experience ..it is up to you to take it or leave it. YOU DECIDE WHAT YOU WANT.

**kaynmantis** · 09-05-2011, 12:31 PM

Re: 2T. Isn't it simpler and safer to simply fill in Premium petrol. After all the petrol is same except for the additives added to it (at least the premium available locally have the same octane as normal petrol). Isn't the homemade experiment being conducted with 2T similar to additives being added by oil company. So why not simply fill premium. Unless of course one is concern paying extra.

**psr** · 09-05-2011, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by kaynmantis View Post

Re: 2T. Isn't it simpler and safer to simply fill in Premium petrol. After all the petrol is same except for the additives added to it (at least the premium available locally have the same octane as normal petrol). Isn't the homemade experiment being conducted with 2T similar to additives being added by oil company. So why not simply fill premium. Unless of course one is concern paying extra.

A good idea...the premium petrol is also supposed to contain cleaning agents,apart from the lubricating oil...Guess I should have advocated it instead ..
Thank you , for an appropriate post in clearing the doubts.

**Aneesh@4GHz** · 09-05-2011, 09:41 PM

Crashed bike today,brother was riding and me as pillion,both of us escaped without any bruises.

Bike has serious damages. We was standing in back of an Indica car suddenly a Logan car came and hit our bike from rear.

**Brat** · 09-05-2011, 10:09 PM

Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post

Crashed bike today,brother was riding and me as pillion,both of us escaped without any bruises.

Bike has serious damages. We was standing in back of an Indica car suddenly a Logan car came and hit our bike from rear.

Aneesh bro... I hope yourself and your brother are okay, thank god you both have escaped without any injuries. Sorry abt your bike, it is saddening to see it in such condition. Do not lose heart, Wishing you speedy and less expensive repairs. Was anyone else injured?

**Aneesh@4GHz** · 09-05-2011, 10:16 PM

Originally posted by Brat View Post

Aneesh bro... I hope yourself and your brother are okay, thank god you both have escaped without any injuries. Sorry abt your bike, it is saddening to see it in such condition. Do not lose heart, Wishing you speedy and less expensive repairs. Was anyone else injured?

Thanks bro.Every one is fine,all damages was caused to vehicles.

**psr** · 09-05-2011, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post

Crashed bike today,brother was riding and me as pillion,both of us escaped without any bruises.

Bike has serious damages. We was standing in back of an Indica car suddenly a Logan car came and hit our bike from rear.

Thank God you and brother are safe...Please check if both of you had suffered whiplash injury to the neck or lower back...If you have pain in neck or back get it checked and wear stiffening belt to arrest movement.
Take care and rest ...

**Aneesh@4GHz** · 09-05-2011, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by psr View Post

Thank God you and brother are safe...Please check if both of you had suffered whiplash injury to the neck or lower back...If you have pain in neck or back get it checked and wear stiffening belt to arrest movement.
Take care and rest ...

Yeah,We are fine sir.Tank has a small dent,can i get the tank replaced?

**anmol_1990** · 09-05-2011, 11:00 PM

Sad to know the incident. Take care aneesh, ride safe buddy.

**psr** · 09-05-2011, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by Aneesh@4GHz View Post

Yeah,We are fine sir.Tank has a small dent,can i get the tank replaced?

If you can claim insurance then it is ok...otherwise no need unless you feel about it..I have a small dent in my Tank too...It was slightly large but with Dent King pulled it out and a small one remains...If the dent is soft one it is possible to totally pull it,but if it has sharp corners then it will not work...You can try Dent King available in e-bay for about 400/-...you may have to try a few times, since ZMA tank is made of thick and stiff metal

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