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**Kartik Shetty** · 12-04-2015, 01:39 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

These are my two sides of rear axle. Please tell me if its aligned properly or not, also the chain is brand new only done 200kms...

**saikatbyte** · 12-04-2015, 01:45 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by allenjoshyjohn View Post

Hey thanks bro, Can any tell me how much is the cost of a full service including all the above mentioned items. Also including oil change and a change of brake pads and brake cleaning.

Paid Service 250-350/- (depending on Service Centres, Local Mechanic will take hardly 200/-)
Chain Clean 200-250/- (with original Yamalube chain cleaner, last approx 1500km, then starts khis-khis noises, apply diesel and then chain lube like any cheap engine oil)
Labour Charges 1000/- minimum (or Factory Service Centres, Local maximum 200/-, but not accurately done because of lack of precision equipments)
Yamalube Semi-synthetic 15w50 550/- for 2500km max for city purpose. (If you fill Motul 300V 15w50 fully synthetic 1150/-, online cheap at paytm, snapdeal, amazon about 1000/- , for 5000-6000km, best for cruising)
Oil Filter 40/-

Parts Costs extra..
Try indiaspares.in for parts list with price though..

**nadz11.ns** · 12-04-2015, 01:53 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by saikatbyte View Post

Paid Service 250-350/- (depending on Service Centres, Local Mechanic will take hardly 200/-)
Chain Clean 200-250/- (with original Yamalube chain cleaner, last approx 1500km, then starts khis-khis noises, apply diesel and then chain lube like any cheap engine oil)
Labour Charges 1000/- minimum (or Factory Service Centres, Local maximum 200/-, but not accurately done because of lack of precision equipments)
Yamalube Semi-synthetic 15w50 550/- for 2500km max for city purpose. (If you fill Motul 300V 15w50 fully synthetic 1150/-, online cheap at paytm, snapdeal, amazon about 1000/- , for 5000-6000km, best for cruising)
Oil Filter 40/-

What labour charges have you mentioned?
If one only does normal servicing, labour charges are what you have mentioned as paid service.
Unless you are changing some part, there won't be any labour charges and that too not even close to Rs. 1k.

Also, chain cleaning/lubing is for only Rs. 120-150 in most service centres. And lubing should be done with gear oil as they are more viscous that engine oil and will stay for longer duration on the chain.

**saikatbyte** · 12-04-2015, 01:53 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by Kartik Shetty View Post

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These are my two sides of rear axle. Please tell me if its aligned properly or not, also the chain is brand new only done 200kms...

It is not a perfect alignment, because it looks like you have aligned with local mechanic with less experience.
Ride in a free stretch at 40-50 kmph, then free both hands, if the bike is pulling on the right side or left side, then there is a misalignment, do it checked by nearest a good mechanic (cheap solution).

**Kartik Shetty** · 12-04-2015, 01:58 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by saikatbyte View Post

It is not a perfect alignment, because it looks like you have aligned with local mechanic with less experience.
Ride in a free stretch at 40-50 kmph, then free both hands, if the bike is pulling on the right side or left side, then there is a misalignment, do it checked by nearest a good mechanic (cheap solution).

I can't do this test cause i already have a fork bend at front....

What i wanted to know is which marks are used for alignment? The ones inside the swingarm or the ones printed on the swingarm? I can see the nut at 4bars (swingarm print) and 3bars on the other side (swingarm print). But the inside metal marks are looking proper to me very confused... How much does service centers charge for this?

**saikatbyte** · 12-04-2015, 02:02 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by nadz11.ns View Post

What labour charges have you mentioned?
If one only does normal servicing, labour charges are what you have mentioned as paid service.
Unless you are changing some part, there won't be any labour charges and that too not even close to Rs. 1k.

Also, chain cleaning/lubing is for only Rs. 120-150 in most service centres. And lubing should be done with gear oil as they are more viscous that engine oil and will stay for longer duration on the chain.

If you change clutch plates, engine oil, spark plugs, carburettor washing, clutch cable & throttle cable replacements, handle grip & handle bar changes, battery charging, brake oil change, disk pad changes, etc etc, they must charge you 1k, Kolkata Yamaha Factory shop (near Kestopur, VIP Crossing) is known for high labour charges, don't know about other cities.
I have only changed my bikes's (fazer v1) clutch plates recently, they charge labour cost 600 bucks, that is for only clutch plates & engine oil replacement. Don't know for other costs.
Yeah, Gear oil is used. But I am using engine oil, they last only 500km though. Motul Chain Spray is on my mind, but C1 & C2 Kit is approximately Rs. 800-900, That's the half the cost of chain sprockets set. Ha ha.

**ackinbiker** · 12-04-2015, 04:46 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by Kartik Shetty View Post

High chances of you running lean... Check ur spark plug... If it's tip is whitish, then u are running lean...

ok i will check and let you know guys

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Originally posted by ackinbiker View Post

as i learned to ride bike few days ago.
can you guys please tell me the
1 => RPM to Gear ratio
2 => Speed to Gear ratio.

just needs your thoughts when you up-shift and down-shift on fz?

please share some advice on above thoughts.

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Originally posted by Kartik Shetty View Post

High chances of you running lean... Check ur spark plug... If it's tip is whitish, then u are running lean...

when i gone to the local mechanic, he rev the engine in neutral and told me fz is emmitimg small quality of black smoke, so that why that "pat"-"pat" sound is coming from exhaust. i m confused totally. help me

**nadz11.ns** · 12-04-2015, 05:47 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by ackinbiker View Post

when i gone to the local mechanic, he rev the engine in neutral and told me fz is emmitimg small quality of black smoke, so that why that "pat"-"pat" sound is coming from exhaust. i m confused totally. help me

take spark plug out, click a picture of its tip and show us. Only then we can tell you anything about the mixture.

And as for the speed-rpm ratio, its up to you when you want to shift. Some like to shift in high rpm's and some low. Follow what suits you.
Generally, shift at 4500-5500 rpm range.

**ackinbiker** · 12-04-2015, 05:57 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by nadz11.ns View Post

take spark plug out, click a picture of its tip and show us. Only then we can tell you anything about the mixture.

And as for the speed-rpm ratio, its up to you when you want to shift. Some like to shift in high rpm's and some low. Follow what suits you.
Generally, shift at 4500-5500 rpm range.

what does it mean => when a small black smoke comes from exhaust when engine rev high on neutral

i will post spark plug picture as soon as possible

**nadz11.ns** · 12-04-2015, 06:25 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by ackinbiker View Post

what does it mean => when a small black smoke comes from exhaust when engine rev high on neutral

I will post spark plug picture as soon as possible

Rev any engine in neutral, it will give out smoke. It means nothing.

while riding,
black smoke = rich mixture
White smoke = engine oil in getting burnt in the combustion chamber

**ackinbiker** · 12-04-2015, 07:22 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by nadz11.ns View Post

Rev any engine in neutral, it will give out smoke. It means nothing.

while riding,
black smoke = rich mixture
White smoke = engine oil in getting burnt in the combustion chamber

ok, that means mechanic is fooling me, will post spark plug photos tomorrow, then you guys tell.

**Kartik Shetty** · 12-04-2015, 07:40 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by Kartik Shetty View Post

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These are my two sides of rear axle. Please tell me if its aligned properly or not, also the chain is brand new only done 200kms...

Bump bump......

**ashwanth.r** · 12-04-2015, 09:31 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by Kartik Shetty View Post

Bump bump......

No, they are not aligned properly. The left/bolt side - the edge of the washer touches the 3rd line provided on the swing arm. On the right/nut side - the edge of the washer touches the 4th line !

Was it aligned by you or SVC or puncture shop guy?

The edge of the washer on both sides have to touch the same level/line on both sides. 1 and 1, 2 and 2, ... Sometimes position 1 will be too loose and position 2 will be too tight. In that case, first align both sides with line 1 and then move "backwards" both sides of the axle nut equally by noting the number of turns of the adjustment screw. If you move the adjustment screw on left by 1/4 turn of the spanner, do the same on the right ...

**Kartik Shetty** · 12-04-2015, 09:34 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by ashwanth.r View Post

No, they are not aligned properly. The left/bolt side - the edge of the washer touches the 3rd line provided on the swing arm. On the right/nut side - the edge of the washer touches the 4th line !

Was it aligned by you or SVC or puncture shop guy?

The edge of the washer on both sides have to touch the same level/line on both sides. 1 and 1, 2 and 2, ... Sometimes position 1 will be too loose and position 2 will be too tight. In that case, first align both sides with line 1 and then move "backwards" both sides of the axle nut equally by noting the number of turns of the adjustment screw. If you move the adjustment screw on left by 1/4 turn of the spanner, do the same on the right ...

Thanks! A ton! I had a lot of questions... Like which marks to use when aligning.. Cuz there are two markings one on the swingarm & second on the inside one..

**Jith_in** · 12-04-2015, 10:45 PM

Re: Yamaha FZ-16/ FZ-S

Originally posted by Kartik Shetty View Post

Thanks! A ton! I had a lot of questions... Like which marks to use when aligning.. Cuz there are two markings one on the swingarm & second on the inside one..

It's difficult to get same markings on each side by playing with spanner. Try this loose the axle bolt and adjust slack using the left side adjuster and rotate the rear wheel and apply the rear brake so that the wheel gets centered. With the rear brake engaged tighten the axle bolt then adjust the right side adjuster to it's place using less force. This method is commonly used by all mechs also little mis alignment is acceptable it won't make any difference in handling.

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