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**Mr_Many_Places** · 06-23-2015, 03:03 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Single finger is what you need andy. Nothing more. 2 fingers only in emergency situations. Your braking ratio is fine.
You may keep it 60:40 if you have a pillion.

I have a 400km trip coming up next week. I am currently using tvs oil which has done around 1350 kms. I checked the oil. Its color is golden. Just like what it was when it was poured in . Will there be any problem to the bike if i do this trip without an oil change ? Will the tvs oil run fine ?? I am a sane rider & i ride max 75-80. No more than that. After that the vibes creep in & make the ride uninspiring.

**Divya Sharan** · 06-23-2015, 03:15 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by madhav766 View Post

I hope you did your research on this. The diesel engine oils have a ton of detergents that are meant to keep the diesel engines clean and running smooth. Petrol engines hardly need so much cleaning capacity. Maybe once every 20k km for about a 1000km it will clean out your engine, knowing how dirty/adulterated the petrol at our fuel stations tend to be. But you still wouldn't need it on a regular basis. Having said that, @Divya Sharan has been using it regularly if I am not wrong. Maybe he can throw more light on this. It would be really interesting to know about it.

Hugely debated topic. Our mopeds make too less power (engines don't rev crazily high either) for the oil to show lack of lubrication.
Doesn't cause ANY clutch slippage (myth busted), doesn't cause overheating (myth busted) and certainly doesn't kill the engine (I have been using it for a looooong time).

It is purely the rider's OWN decision. There are various factors that determine an engine's health; and the type of engine oils doesn't even count in the top 5.
Shell Rimula contains ZDDP, also seen on Shell AX7 range. It is a detergent and keeps the engine clean. Drain interval - 1500- 1800 km.

The facts that I've not even decarbed my engine and I'm still on stock clutch plates after 4.5 years makes me believe that Rimula does work, in a positive way!

**susheelkumar** · 06-23-2015, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by Divya Sharan View Post

Hugely debated topic. Our mopeds make too less power (engines don't rev crazily high either) for the oil to show lack of lubrication.
Doesn't cause ANY clutch slippage (myth busted), doesn't cause overheating (myth busted) and certainly doesn't kill the engine (I have been using it for a looooong time).

It is purely the rider's OWN decision. There are various factors that determine an engine's health; and the type of engine oils doesn't even count in the top 5.
Shell Rimula contains ZDDP, also seen on Shell AX7 range. It is a detergent and keeps the engine clean. Drain interval - 1500- 1800 km.

The facts that I've not even decarbed my engine and I'm still on stock clutch plates after 4.5 years makes me believe that Rimula does work, in a positive way!

Whats the price of the oil?

**Divya Sharan** · 06-23-2015, 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by susheelkumar View Post

Whats the price of the oil?

Rupees 300 - 320 per litre depending upon the stockist.

**andy0104** · 06-23-2015, 03:50 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by madhav766 View Post

Welcome to the tribe! On the ABS version, we get a steel braided brake line for the rear disc that really amps up the performance apparently. Is it so on your bike too? You can make out the difference very easily. The front disc will have a black rubber hose for the brake fluid. The rear on my ABS has a transparent hose with the steel braids visible. I am told this is one of the reasons why the RTR has such amazing braking performance, ABS or not. One more thing to add to the VFM nature of the RTR.

As far as the braking ratio goes, keep it at that. No need to change the ratio. It is perfect and will save you from a lot of situations where you will skid.

Originally posted by Mr_Many_Places View Post

Single finger is what you need andy. Nothing more. 2 fingers only in emergency situations. Your braking ratio is fine.
You may keep it 60:40 if you have a pillion.

Thanks madhav766

But I do not have ABS version or RTR 180, I have RTR 160 with dual disc setup. I have checked the front disc connector pipe and it is indeed black rubber hose. But not sure if it is steel braided or not. Haven't checked the rear disc connector yet. But the brake feel from both the brakes are very good.

But I am a little confused here, regarding the braking ratio. Right now I am using 30(front) & 70(rear) brake ratio. But as I read in the forum and saw in many youtube videos that it should be 70(front) & 30(rear) ratio as in front brake ratio should be higher than rear brake ratio as it will help stop faster.

**madhav766** · 06-23-2015, 04:42 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by andy0104 View Post

Thanks madhav766

But I do not have ABS version or RTR 180, I have RTR 160 with dual disc setup. I have checked the front disc connector pipe and it is indeed black rubber hose. But not sure if it is steel braided or not. Haven't checked the rear disc connector yet. But the brake feel from both the brakes are very good.

But I am a little confused here, regarding the braking ratio. Right now I am using 30(front) & 70(rear) brake ratio. But as I read in the forum and saw in many youtube videos that it should be 70(front) & 30(rear) ratio as in front brake ratio should be higher than rear brake ratio as it will help stop faster.

This braking ratio has been a confusing thing for me since I have begun biking. I have tried the 70(f):30(r) ration and I do not know if it because of the inferior TVS tires, but there is almost always a give in grip. Doesn't help that it is scary as hell. I have been using 30(f):70(r) ratio with real ease and I have been very safe on my bike so far.

**Mr_Many_Places** · 06-23-2015, 05:20 PM

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Guys actually its 70 in the front & 30 in the rear. Front discs are way more powerful than the rear ones. You can shed speed quickly. But if there is no grip provided by the tyres then it becomes a problem specially with tvs tires. Mrf zapper series do a good job here.

**julianpaul** · 06-23-2015, 06:59 PM

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It's actually 100 front, 0 rear.

Past the initial taper, any rear brake input is more or less useless/dangerous. Of course this is for performance riding, like one would be doing on an rtr, not 40km/h splendor speeds...

**Bhu5H@N** · 06-23-2015, 11:01 PM

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There is no such ratio. Keep biking until you find correct pressure.
I'm using Apche 160 with front and rear disc since 2012 and believe me it takes some time to get adjusted but best thing is that once you understand right combination you won't feel that you are using bike without ABS
Please note: Be careful on concrete roads and wet roads too. We have set of best tyres in the world.

**andy0104** · 06-24-2015, 01:14 PM

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I heard that TVS is now making the tyres for Michelin. I guess then TVS should have some knowledge about various tyre compunds used by Michelin. Then why they can't make their own tyres better or why they can't make any soft compund tyres for RTR

**Mr_Many_Places** · 06-24-2015, 03:17 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by andy0104 View Post

I heard that TVS is now making the tyres for Michelin. I guess then TVS should have some knowledge about various tyre compunds used by Michelin. Then why they can't make their own tyres better or why they can't make any soft compund tyres for RTR

Haha. Nice question.
I guess they will use the soft compound ones for the upcoming 200cc apache. They did not want to gamble with softer tyres for the apache because it would decrease the mileage a bit. Softer tyres means more grip-more friction-less free running of the bike. And our bikes being carb ones. The drop in mileage will be a little more prominent than the fuel injected ones. Example- fz v1 has 140 section rear tire. Its heavy duty for a 150cc engine producing 14.5 bhp. Effect. Mileage in the region of 35-38 max. But our apache 110 section tire & although we have 17bhp. We easily get upwards of 42 kmpl. The current gen remora's are relatively better than the old gen srichakra's

**andy0104** · 06-24-2015, 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by Mr_Many_Places View Post

Haha. Nice question.
I guess they will use the soft compound ones for the upcoming 200cc apache. They did not want to gamble with softer tyres for the apache because it would decrease the mileage a bit. Softer tyres means more grip-more friction-less free running of the bike. And our bikes being carb ones. The drop in mileage will be a little more prominent than the fuel injected ones. Example- fz v1 has 140 section rear tire. Its heavy duty for a 150cc engine producing 14.5 bhp. Effect. Mileage in the region of 35-38 max. But our apache 110 section tire & although we have 17bhp. We easily get upwards of 42 kmpl. The current gen remora's are relatively better than the old gen srichakra's

Fz's mileage might be on the lesser side but it offers phenomenal grip. I will take better handling bike any day with a little compromise on mileage as I will be able to ride it without thinking about dry or wet surface (rather skidding on hard braking). But they atleast can give us an option for softer compound tyres, they don't even have that. Can you tell me how's the grip of the remora tyres, does it skid like the srichakra on braking?

**hemnath** · 06-24-2015, 04:53 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Need help guys, recently my bike accelerator got cut, so i went to svc and fix it up, he replaced the cable, but after that i can see the bike is not running freely, i can see the lag in acceleration of my bike. what could be issue here.

**susheelkumar** · 06-24-2015, 05:11 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by hemnath View Post

Need help guys, recently my bike accelerator got cut, so i went to svc and fix it up, he replaced the cable, but after that i can see the bike is not running freely, i can see the lag in acceleration of my bike. what could be issue here.

Maybe something to do with the throttle free play. Either you can ask the SVC itself to rectify it or you can goto any local mechanic and ask the same.

**Mr_Many_Places** · 06-24-2015, 09:06 PM

Re: TVS Apache RTR 180

Originally posted by andy0104 View Post

Fz's mileage might be on the lesser side but it offers phenomenal grip. I will take better handling bike any day with a little compromise on mileage as I will be able to ride it without thinking about dry or wet surface (rather skidding on hard braking). But they atleast can give us an option for softer compound tyres, they don't even have that. Can you tell me how's the grip of the remora tyres, does it skid like the srichakra on braking?

Ovbiously any bike enthusiast like us will trade mileage for a bike that handles well. But fact is this is india. 70% of the people would be more interested in the "kitna deti hai " figure than outright grip. I have seen people riding with 140section ceat tyres in fz and when i asked them whats wrong with the mrf they said & i am paraphrasing it " bhaiya mrf to 15000km main ghis jaata hai aur badalne main 2500 chale jate hai. Ye ceat to 1800 ka hai aur chalta 22000 km hai "

As far as the remora is concerned it is way way better than the srichakras. Remoras are very good in normal days . You can even scrape your footpegs if its dry. I have done this twice. But in rains not that good. I would rate mrf>remora>srichakra

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