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**sheelpriye** · 08-01-2010, 12:07 PM

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**svjhonda** · 08-01-2010, 03:52 PM

Originally posted by sheelpriye View Post

@tibby--replace the oil filter as well when you decide to go in with the new oil.

If possible, it should be done, but not mandatory. Both being Semi-synthetic oils.

Originally posted by tibby View Post

Hmmm.. Both being SS oils, albeit different brands, is it really necessary?
Was wondering coz the filter costs just as much as the oil

And for info sake, both oils are ditto.

Yamalube SS is basically re-branded Motul 5100T. Yamaha definitely screws around with it, because I've heard stonking reports about the Motul oil, and have been heartily dissatisfied with the Yamalube SS.

Originally posted by ashaq54 View Post

got the bike checked by yamaha mechanic. he has tuned the idle RPM somewhat OK, and according to him, bad/poor fuel in my tank is the culprit. however, this morning had an amazing observation. the engine does not stall or die completely, rather, it goes to a sort of hibernation when i pull in the clutch during deceleration. i see the rev counter dropping to zero and if i release the clutch with a hint of throttle, the engine just wakes up. no problem what so ever. it did not use to happen brfore during the first 2200 KMs, so, surely there is still some problem left untreated.

can anyone please let me know what is happening....??

Like I said, if all that's mentioned in my post has been checked, then bad fuel or fuel with impurity (mainly rainwater) is the culprit. Try clearing out the tank, and adding fresh fuel. Run it and see if the problem's gone.

Originally posted by theguitarfreak View Post

Today i had a big quarrel with the Yamaha factory shop svc. Went for engine oil and oil filter change. I had already changed the oil to Yamalube SL MINERAL 20W40 when buying the bike as i wanted to do the run in of my bike with mineral oil and not the semi synth oil that came with the bike from the factory. Today when i went again for the oil change (this is a different svc, not from where i bought my bike), they refused to put the mineral 20W40 oil saying that the R15 is meant only to run with the Yamalube semi synth 20W50 oil and they are not authorized to use the mineral 20W40 on it. I told them that its written clearly in the manual that either 20W40 or 20W50 oil can be used and there is no such mention that it has to be only semi synth. The way they behaved with me was really bad. I wanted to talk to the showroom manager but he wasnt there.
I want to complain to Yamaha about this matter. Before that, can anyone confirm me from the manual about the recommended engine oil? I havent got the manual yet. I have taken the names of two of the employees who told me all this at the svc.

Welcome to Yamaha. I am not scaring you. I have never been asked to use semi-synthetic right from the start, but now-a-days the svc's seem more interested in making money. Its just a matter of time before your patience runs out.

Look, the bike is a gem. But the attitude in these svc's is bad. Try servicing it from Shreeansh Yamaha. Its relatively new, and they have been the most hospitable guys I've seen. The svc is in Joka.

**tibby** · 08-01-2010, 04:09 PM

Originally posted by svjhonda View Post

If possible, it should be done, but not mandatory. Both being Semi-synthetic oils.

Oh, ok. Thanks for that.

Originally posted by svjhonda View Post

And for info sake, both oils are ditto.

Yamalube SS is basically re-branded Motul 5100T. Yamaha definitely screws around with it, because I've heard stonking reports about the Motul oil, and have been heartily dissatisfied with the Yamalube SS.

Exactly!! I really don't like the Yamalube SS (its ok for highways, not city), & read good reviews about the Motul SS, so picked up the 5100 15W50. I wonder what Yamaha do with the Motul, that renders it bad.
I read somehwere that SS is Mineral mixed with FS. So maybe Yamalube has a different ratio of both, than Motul. Only specualting here.

**ashaq54** · 08-01-2010, 08:44 PM

Originally posted by svjhonda View Post

Like I said, if all that's mentioned in my post has been checked, then bad fuel or fuel with impurity (mainly rainwater) is the culprit. Try clearing out the tank, and adding fresh fuel. Run it and see if the problem's gone.

next time i visit the mechanic i will do the following:

-clean-up the tank and fill up some fresh petrol in it
-check the air filter
-check/adjust the clutch and throttle cable tension

btw..2 more questions:

1. are not they supposed to clean the air filter with air blower, since the air filter of R15 is of dry paper type?
2. cruising at any speed/any gear, if i pull in the clutch fully, the rev counter is supposed to drop back to idle rpm mark and not to zero, right..??

**abhimanyu31** · 08-01-2010, 08:55 PM

Originally posted by tibby View Post

Seems like you got the Yamalube semi-synth oil. Most of them here are not happy with this oil. I've just bought a can of Motul SS yesterday. Can't wait to replace the Yamalube SS in my bike, after it turns bad that is.

I know its semi-synth oil... I have been using the same since my initial running in... never faced any problems with it... if anything, its been keeping the engine smooth and clean sounding... personally if you ask me... I would rather use an oil that is being guaranteed by Yamaha than by any other company... also if I go by my bike's usage in the past 10 months... I don't think its even going to reach 25,000 kms in the next 4 years... so the engine the amount of wear and tear is a moot point...

**tibby** · 08-01-2010, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post

I know its semi-synth oil... I have been using the same since my initial running in... never faced any problems with it... if anything, its been keeping the engine smooth and clean sounding... personally if you ask me... I would rather use an oil that is being guaranteed by Yamaha than by any other company... also if I go by my bike's usage in the past 10 months... I don't think its even going to reach 25,000 kms in the next 4 years... so the engine the amount of wear and tear is a moot point...

Thats good for you! Mixed reviews then I'd say.
BTW, Yamaha isn't guaranteeing use of Yamalube, they're just recommending it in their own way, by re-branding Motul.

**abhimanyu31** · 08-01-2010, 11:31 PM

Originally posted by tibby View Post

Thats good for you! Mixed reviews then I'd say.
BTW, Yamaha isn't guaranteeing use of Yamalube, they're just recommending it in their own way, by re-branding Motul.

No offense buddy...

I suggest that you read the back of the bottle.... the API symbol that you will see in on back clearly reads that the oil's performance to the said API standards is guaranteed by Yamaha.... I never said that they are guaranteeing that the use of this oil is best for your bike...

**harshit.d** · 08-02-2010, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by theguitarfreak View Post

Today i had a big quarrel with the Yamaha factory shop svc. Went for engine oil and oil filter change. I had already changed the oil to Yamalube SL MINERAL 20W40 when buying the bike as i wanted to do the run in of my bike with mineral oil and not the semi synth oil that came with the bike from the factory. Today when i went again for the oil change (this is a different svc, not from where i bought my bike), they refused to put the mineral 20W40 oil saying that the R15 is meant only to run with the Yamalube semi synth 20W50 oil and they are not authorized to use the mineral 20W40 on it. I told them that its written clearly in the manual that either 20W40 or 20W50 oil can be used and there is no such mention that it has to be only semi synth. The way they behaved with me was really bad. I wanted to talk to the showroom manager but he wasnt there.
I want to complain to Yamaha about this matter. Before that, can anyone confirm me from the manual about the recommended engine oil? I havent got the manual yet. I have taken the names of two of the employees who told me all this at the svc.

Well the oil issue you had is nothing but the money minting tac-ticks. Higher the cost higher is their margin!
My friends getting their R15 serviced here in Bangalore and using only the yamaha mineral oil (20W40) and no service engineer has ever forced them to go for SS or anything else. So just inform yamaha about the practices being followed at the service centre.

**svjhonda** · 08-02-2010, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by ashaq54 View Post

next time i visit the mechanic i will do the following:

-clean-up the tank and fill up some fresh petrol in it
-check the air filter
-check/adjust the clutch and throttle cable tension

btw..2 more questions:

1. are not they supposed to clean the air filter with air blower, since the air filter of R15 is of dry paper type?
2. cruising at any speed/any gear, if i pull in the clutch fully, the rev counter is supposed to drop back to idle rpm mark and not to zero, right..??

Okay. Tell me if it works.

1) Yes, they are supposed to clean the air filter by blowing compressed air through the reverse side. Make sure they do it at every service. We ride in dusty environments, and keeping the filter clean will keep the throttle response crisp.
2) Yes, if the drive is disengaged, and the engine has no load, the rpm will drop till it reaches the idle set by you.

Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post

No offense buddy...

I suggest that you read the back of the bottle.... the API symbol that you will see in on back clearly reads that the oil's performance to the said API standards is guaranteed by Yamaha.... I never said that they are guaranteeing that the use of this oil is best for your bike...

Hmmm... Like Tibby said, mixed reviews. Any idea bout the fully-synthetic Yamalube Yamaha is offering? Know anybody who's using it? Its Rs. 615/-, AFAIK.

**theguitarfreak** · 08-02-2010, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by harshit.d View Post

Well the oil issue you had is nothing but the money minting tac-ticks. Higher the cost higher is their margin!
My friends getting their R15 serviced here in Bangalore and using only the yamaha mineral oil (20W40) and no service engineer has ever forced them to go for SS or anything else. So just inform yamaha about the practices being followed at the service centre.

Yes thats what i have done. I have emailed Yamaha even giving names of the employees. Lets see what they do.

**harshit.d** · 08-02-2010, 12:14 PM

Originally posted by theguitarfreak View Post

Yes thats what i have done. I have emailed Yamaha even giving names of the employees. Lets see what they do.

Rest assured they wont do anything!!
At the most you will get a call from the service centre, they will apologize or may even offer that when you come next time for the service the same will not happen!!
And trust me the attitude at the service centre will remain the same. Better try shifting to a better service centre or get the oil changed outside.

**theguitarfreak** · 08-02-2010, 12:17 PM

Originally posted by harshit.d View Post

Rest assured they wont do anything!!
At the most you will get a call from the service centre, they will apologize or may even offer that when you come next time for the service the same will not happen!!
And trust me the attitude at the service centre will remain the same. Better try shifting to a better service centre or get the oil changed outside.

Yes the apology is what i want from them. I want to show them that they are wrong. I have already done the oil change from outside.

**ashaq54** · 08-02-2010, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by svjhonda View Post

Okay. Tell me if it works.

1) Yes, they are supposed to clean the air filter by blowing compressed air through the reverse side. Make sure they do it at every service. We ride in dusty environments, and keeping the filter clean will keep the throttle response crisp.
2) Yes, if the drive is disengaged, and the engine has no load, the rpm will drop till it reaches the idle set by you.

i fear they might just had used compressed water to clean my air filter the last time, that might have clogged the air filter, causing the trouble.

in my case, when i depress the clutch fully and release the throttle, the the RPM drops to zero mark, on most of the occassions that is. however, engine revives again when i release the clutch, just like having a push-start.

strange isn't it...??

**abhimanyu31** · 08-02-2010, 02:00 PM

Originally posted by svjhonda View Post

Hmmm... Like Tibby said, mixed reviews. Any idea bout the fully-synthetic Yamalube Yamaha is offering? Know anybody who's using it? Its Rs. 615/-, AFAIK.

Not yet available at the Factory SVC in Malad, Mumbai... At least, it was not there when I went over there... about this whole controversy about being forced to use semi synth oil instead of mineral oil... it makes no sense... I saw huge drums of 20 liters of Yamalube mineral oil at the SVC... they have not been ordered for show or storage... it is obvious that the mineral oil is the most consumed variety at the SVC... why would the SVC which orders such large quantities of mineral oil force someone to use semi synth.....

**theguitarfreak** · 08-02-2010, 02:30 PM

Originally posted by abhimanyu31 View Post

why would the SVC which orders such large quantities of mineral oil force someone to use semi synth.....

Because they dont know whats the difference between mineral, semi synth and full synth and their uses. They only know which one has a better margin of profit and hence try to force it on the customers.

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